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Mit Deno 2.9 setzt das Team nun jedoch ein deutliches Zeichen. Besonders spannend: „\u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.deno.com\u002Fruntime\u002Fdesktop\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Deno Desktop\u003C\u002Fa>“, ein neuer Ansatz für Desktop-Anwendungen, der die Vorteile von Electron und Tauri kombinieren soll. Statt ein komplettes Chromium-Bundle mitzuliefern, nutzt Deno die WebView des Betriebssystems und verspricht damit deutlich kleinere Anwendungen – ohne auf die bekannte JavaScript- und TypeScript-Toolchain verzichten zu müssen.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"681\" data-end=\"1239\">Außerdem sprechen wir über den offiziellen Release von \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fblog.jetbrains.com\u002Fjunie\u002F2026\u002F06\u002Fjunie-coding-agent-out-of-beta\u002F\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Junie, dem KI-Coding-Agenten von JetBrains\u003C\u002Fa>. Nach der Beta-Phase bringt Junie einige spannende Funktionen mit, darunter agentisches Debugging direkt in der IDE, einen erweiterten Planning-Modus für größere Features und flexible Modellwahl über verschiedene LLMs hinweg. Besonders interessant: Entwicklungspläne werden als bearbeitbare Dokumente dargestellt, sodass Teams gemeinsam mit der KI an Lösungsansätzen arbeiten können, bevor überhaupt Code geschrieben wird.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"1241\" data-end=\"1915\">Auch Anthropic hat wieder nachgelegt. \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fclaude.com\u002Fblog\u002Fclaude-design-stays-on-brand-for-daily-work\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Claude Design\u003C\u002Fa> soll künftig deutlich besser mit bestehenden Designsystemen und Brand-Guidelines umgehen und konsistentere Ergebnisse liefern. Darüber hinaus werfen wir einen Blick auf \u003Ca href=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.anthropic.com\u002Fnews\u002Fintroducing-claude-tag\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Claude Tag\u003C\u002Fa>: Anthropic positioniert Claude zunehmend als Teammitglied statt als persönlichen Assistenten. Die KI kann in Slack-Threads mitarbeiten, Aufgaben aus Diskussionen ableiten, mit GitHub und Linear interagieren und sogar proaktiv auf Probleme hinweisen. Damit verschiebt sich der Fokus von individueller KI-Unterstützung hin zu echter Team-Kollaboration mit KI-Agenten.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"1917\" data-end=\"2271\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\">Zum Abschluss diskutieren wir, welche Auswirkungen solche kollaborativen KI-Systeme auf Entwicklungsprozesse haben könnten, wo aktuell noch Kosten- und Workflow-Fragen offen sind und warum die kommenden Monate zeigen werden, ob diese neuen Agenten-Ansätze tatsächlich den Arbeitsalltag von Entwicklungsteams verändern.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"1917\" data-end=\"2271\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\">Wir bitten die Qualität zu entschuldigen - leider kam es zu Problemen bei der Aufzeichnung der einzelnen Audio-\u002FVideo-Spuren\u003Cstrong>.\u003C\u002Fstrong>\u003C\u002Fp>",null,"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F19397491-news-26-26-deno-desktop-jetbrains-junie-coding-agent-claude-design-und-claude-tag.mp3","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=43WP3nuFLbo",{"id":16,"title":17,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":18,"filename_download":19,"metadata":20,"type":21,"filesize":22,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":23,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":24,"uploaded_on":25,"folder":12,"width":26,"height":26,"charset":12,"duration":12},"bf77d4d6-8a58-4a1a-9e39-684c9dd37fec","News Asset 26","bf77d4d6-8a58-4a1a-9e39-684c9dd37fec.jpg","News-Asset 26.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","1263372","2026-06-24T06:45:42.305Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-06-24T06:45:42.301Z",1500,[],[29,47,62],{"member":30},{"id":31,"first_name":32,"last_name":33,"occupation":34,"description":35,"normal_image":36},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielfältigen Rollen – vom Entwickler über den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development – verfügt Jan über einen großen Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchgängen an exotischen Orten über das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in Büchern und Filmen.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":37,"title":38,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":39,"filename_download":40,"metadata":41,"type":21,"filesize":42,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":43,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":44,"uploaded_on":45,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",1024,{"member":48},{"id":49,"first_name":50,"last_name":51,"occupation":52,"description":53,"normal_image":54},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":55,"title":56,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":57,"filename_download":58,"metadata":12,"type":21,"filesize":59,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":60,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":12,"uploaded_on":61,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",{"member":63},{"id":64,"first_name":65,"last_name":66,"occupation":67,"description":68,"normal_image":69},"11d2e9b0-4443-4287-96bc-3930b0ada739","Dave","Koschitzki","\u002F\u002F Website \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dave ist seit 2024 Mitglied des programmier.bar-Teams. Neben seiner Arbeit an der Website-Entwicklung bringt er frischen Wind in den Podcast und ist regelmäßig bei Meetups anzutreffen. Seine Leidenschaft für Games, die er sowohl auf der Konsole als auch am PC spielt, ist unübersehbar.\u003Cbr> \u003Cbr>Wenn er nicht gerade in virtuelle Welten eintaucht, trifft man ihn im Fitnessstudio, wo er mit Begeisterung Gewichte stemmt. Dave bereichert das Team nicht nur durch seine technischen Fähigkeiten, sondern auch durch seine vielseitigen Interessen und ansteckende Energie.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":70,"title":71,"description":12,"tags":12,"location":12,"filename_disk":72,"filename_download":73,"metadata":74,"type":21,"filesize":75,"modified_by":12,"modified_on":76,"embed":12,"uploaded_by":44,"uploaded_on":77,"folder":12,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":12,"duration":12},"578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f","Dave CD","578c2a0f-e919-4668-9cb4-f5b97252d57f.jpg","Dave_CD.jpg",{},"675668","2024-07-29T14:46:16.725Z","2024-07-29T14:46:16.613Z",[],[],[],[],487,207,[],{"id":86,"service":87,"supported_features":88,"speakers":91,"raw_response":99},"470e0094-b7c1-40c1-b9f1-02b3a6a27d8f","deepgram",[89,90],"timestamps","diarization",[92,94,96],{"identifier":93,"name":50},"0",{"identifier":95,"name":65},"1",{"identifier":97,"name":98},"2","Jan",{"metadata":100,"results":114},{"transaction_key":101,"request_id":102,"sha256":103,"created":104,"duration":105,"channels":106,"models":107,"model_info":109},"deprecated","019efadc-4732-7c51-ac4e-e9b4fba55ec0","9cb8de8d02012227c422ab0e79a5109abcaecb2faf456343dc1703b7c0cbe7fa","2026-06-24T18:24:13.635Z",2611.6328,1,[108],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":110},{"name":111,"version":112,"arch":113},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"channels":115,"utterances":26410},[116],{"alternatives":117},[118],{"transcript":119,"confidence":120,"words":121,"paragraphs":24063},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Programmier bei News Folge. Wir befinden uns in Kalenderwoche 26, 2026. Wir reden heute über Dino, über Juni und über 2 Updates von den Froppy, Klopp Design und Claude Tech. Ich bin Dennis Becker und heute an meiner Seite Dave Acker, Dave Krusitzky, moin was geht Und Jan Gregor im Getriebe, moin moin, live im Studio. Live im Studio. Alle 3. Alle vor Ort, Lightning Farbe, alle mit neuem Kameraset ups, falls ihr uns im Videostream seht. Jetzt mit guter Farbe. Aber wieder mit alter Audioqualität. Da hat sich ja nicht durchgesetzt das neue Mikroset-up, aber Genau. Arbeiten ja auch noch dran. Aber gewohnt hohe Qualität, das muss man sagen. Gewohnt hohe Audioqualität. Das war ja die wir sagen. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Oh. Haben wir Ein stetiger ein stetiger Hörer unsere eigenen News Oh. Dave von Schützen. Na ja, ich ich hör ich ich hör ja nicht die eigenen News, die ich aufnehme, so. Ist ja ja komisch. Ach so, ich war nicht dabei. Ach so, ja genau. Ich hör auch nicht News, die I aufnehmend. So. Das ist richtig. Wie geht's euch in diesen Temperatur, bei diesen Temperaturen? Wahnsinnig schnell. Seid ihr, seid ihr auch so. Du holzt wir diesen nicht so rum. Ich mein, Du beschwerst dich einmal vor, dass Du sagst, boah, ich bin komplett geschwitzt rumgelaufen, aber Ich bin trotzdem so positiv, Du das mag ich sehr. Ja, das stimmt. Ich bin auch jetzt grade aktuell in meinem eigenen Saft. Es ist wirklich, ich safte ja alles voll. Ja. Und es ist auch wahnsinnig, also Dennis hab ich grad aufgeklärt, wir nehmen grade in einem Raum auf, das ist der Einzige, der nicht klimatisiert ist oder klar gewesen, ob's der Einzige ist dieser ganzen Firma, der keine Klimaanlage hat. Genau. Genau. Also Licht Treppenhaus hat auch keiner. Ah, okay. Aber das hat Fenster. Wir sind also mitten im Gebäude in sonem abgeschlossenen Raum. Und man Ja, aber halt in der, deswegen ist er ja relativ kühl. Aber man merkt trotzdem, wie die Luft hier steht. Also ich glaub, dass diese Nullfeuchtigkeit sind. In 80 Uhr gibt's das schon, nur keine Klimaanlage. Es ist es ist trotzdem wahnsinnig feucht hier so. Aber ich ich ich glaub, es wird eine richtig geile Folge und deswegen bin ich hyped so. Das ist mir egal, wie die äußeren Umgebung ist. Wenn Dave hyped ist, bin ich auch hyped, weil das ansteckend. Und wie ist bei dir temperaturtechnisch, Jan Gregor? Ich hab in der Bodywohnung geschlafen bei angenehmen 29 Grad Leuten nach Hause Julia. Julia, ja. Das ist doch angenehm. Ja. Ja. Deine Wohnung ist klimatisiert, dein Haus ist klimatisiert, oder, Dennis? Mein Haus ist 'n Fachwerkhaus in dem Fall, der eigentlich das Gegenteil von Oh. Klimatisiert bin, eigentlich richtig heiß. Also Aber? So 33 Grad, 34 Grad, aber im Schlafzimmer machen wir eine Klimaanlage seit letzten Jahren. Okay. Ich hätte, ich bräuchte sie aber tatsächlich nicht. So eine mobile oder son richtiges Minisplit Gerät? Weder noch, wenn wir kurz 'n Ausflug machen wollen, eine Monoblock, eine Monoblock Klimaanlage, die aber trotzdem fest an der Wand hängt und einfach nur 2 große Löcher brauchte, 2 leicht massive Löcher. Okay. Universe bauen und ja, Nachteil relativ laut, Vorteil, gern Außengerät. Ah. Ja. Front load value by the way. Was zählt in diesen Tagen aktuell? Ja, das stimmt. Es ist wirklich schon ab langem wieder was gelernt. Aber es ist, also warte, Du hast grade gesagt, Du brauchst es nicht, das finde ich interessant. Also weil ich ich merk das so, ich ich leg mich ins Bett, es sind so 27 Grad im Schlafzimmer und ich, also ich sagte komplett alles zu, ne. Ich hab ich hab, oh, Life Hack auch Anna draußen, das ist wirklich Front not Value, Leo Zell Bettwäsche. Und von wem hast Du's? Komm. Von deinen Schlafanzügen? Ja. Ja. Es ist krass. Also es ist irgendwie so aus Bambus gemacht und Real Talk, also ich ich schlafe sonst immer im Sommer ohne irgendetwas und jetzt mach ich sogar die Decke drüber, weil halt zumindest irgendwie 'n bisschen mein Schweiß halt da reingeht und es aber halt also nicht klamm wird. Also Baumwolle wird immer super klamm. Und es ist halt so, es ist immer superangenehm, seidig warm und 'n bisschen kühler, seidig warm ist falsch, seidig kühl so irgendwie. Es also es bringt nicht also den Megechange, aber es ist halt so, ich schlaf mit der Decke und es ist halt irgendwie okay dadurch so. Also ich öle trotzdem und ich wach wach mit nassem Nacken auf und so und meine Haare sind komplett nass, aber an sich geil. Wenn ich Weil ich jetzt sehr angestrengt wirke, ist das, weil ich die ganze Zeit drüber nachdenke, wann wir die Jugendfreigabe bei iTunes verlieren. So, sag ich nur mal, jetzt überlegt, darf ich fluchen eigentlich? Haben wir das oder dürfen wir das nicht? Ich glaube, scheiße ist okay und wenn's darüber hinausgeht, müssen wir son e an die Folge machen. Aber wir hatten aber auch schon Folgen. Wahrscheinlich seid ihr nicht dabei so sagen. Die häufen sich. Explocement Folgen. Ja, okay. Ich werd mich zurückhalten, diese Folgen. Aber Saften ist völlig, also das Saft ist ja voll. Ja, ja, ja. So. Jeder saftet, richtig? Wie viel Saft ihr da da zu Hause? Schreibt es so. Schreibt es ziemlich. Aber ich muss schon sagen, ja, ich kann ich kann ganz gut mit Wärme umgehen. Klar, sagen wir's so. Ich ich schmeiß jetzt nicht in die Sonne und ich beweg mich einfach langsamer und weniger, aber ich ist auch nicht so, dass ich mich den ganzen Tag darüber beschwere und rumhute, dass jetzt, oh Gott oh Gott, oh, jetzt mal 36 grad draußen sind. Ja. Von daher, positiv nehmen das Ganze. Hey. Wir haben noch 2 heiße Tage, dann wird's besser. Geil. Das bleibt ja jetzt die nächsten 2 Wochen so. Ach so, ich müsste das Ich hab irgendwo gelesen, es steigert sich immer so richtig bis Freitag und dann ist erst mal. Dann sind nur noch 30 Start. Weniger. Aber Klimawandel gibt's ja zum Glück nicht. Eben, eben. Elon Musk ist mal nur eine geilste Welt, oder? Erzähl wieder dort. Ich überlege mich, Tesla zu kaufen. Aber aber das andere Story. Okay. Daniel Gregor, bring das Niveau mal 'n bisschen Findest Becker. Technisch besser. Ja. Wir reden über Dino. Dino hatte zuletzt von sich Schlagzeilen gemacht, weil das son bisschen aussah, als wären sie auf der absteigenden Ast. Mhm. Die haben Leute entlassen, sie haben Infrastruktur zugemacht, sie haben Features wieder in Beta genommen, auf die schon alle gewartet haben, dass die mal final veröffentlicht werden. Die haben die haben ihre Codebasis auf Rust umgeschrieben. Die waren tatsächlich schon auf Rust. Alter. Also Die waren ja so weit voraus. Dino ist ja schon in Rust, ja? Da, wo Bun jetzt grade hinkommt, war die irgendwo schon lange. Von daher, vielleicht machen sie da was richtig. Ja, krass. Aber es sah letzten oder Anfang des Jahres sah es son bisschen schwierig aus dem Dino. Ich bin ja großer Dino Fan. Ja, ja. Was ist dein Lieblings Dino? Mein Lieblings Dino? Mhm. Es weiß ich gar nicht. Derodactynus? Das jetzt, wo Du's sagst. Darf ich den aufnehmen? Da hab ich mir bei dir gedacht. Ja. Hauptsache fliegen, ne? Hauptsache fliegen, ja. Hauptsache fliegen, ja. Ja, ja, okay. Dann müsste über den Gradustrus. Nee, nee. Ist immer nur der Stand so, wie kommt der jetzt auf der Cerodakylos? Also das ist damit Nein, ich frag Quetzal Quetzal, ich komme nicht mehr. Ist der Götzi? Genau, ja. Den, also wenn's Fliegen geht, ich glaub, das war 'n guter Flugsäure. Okay. Kommen wir wieder zurück zu der anderen Dinos. Ja. So, da war ja auch die Frage, fliegen die noch oder sind scharf gestürzt? Alter. Selbst wenn Du nicht die Moderation machst, hast Du krasse Übergänge in deine eigenen Niere. Ja, das ist das ist son bisschen der Doc in der Gegend. Ja, ja. Gut, gut. Und ich war ehrlicherweise persönlich son bisschen angespannt, weil ich halt echt gehofft hab, dass es den, dass das nicht so schlecht läuft, wie das alle reden. Und jetzt haben Sie mit dem angekündigten Dino 2 9 Release eigentlich son paar coole Features gebracht und über 1 wollt ich heute mal reden, über Dino Desktop. Und wir haben, glaub ich, das letzte Mal über was Vergleichbares gesprochen, als wir über Tauri gesprochen hatten hier. Auch wieder bei Rust. Rust ist überall. Das ist krass her, onlypräsent. Tauri hatte sich ja so angeschickt, irgendwie eine Alternative zu Electron zu sein mit dem Unterschied, dass Du das Backend eben in in Rust schreiben kannst und nicht mehr mit JavaScript schreibst schreiben musst und dass sie quasi nicht ein komplettes Elektron, ach, ein komplettes Chrome mitschippen, sondern dein Browser aus dem Betriebssystem versehen und dementsprechend ist By mehr, weiß ich, 200 Megabyte wie bei Electron groß ist, sondern wirklich nur noch son kleines mit 'ner nativen und dann bist Du halt bei 'n paar Megabyte. So. Aber Du musst halt irgendwie dieses ganze raste großes Tape rein kurz. So, und was Dino jetzt vorhat mit Dino Desktop ist im Prinzip, diese beiden Ansätze son bisschen zu kombinieren und sagen, okay, Du kannst weiterhin dein JavaScript, type Skript Backend in Dino nutzen und musst trotzdem nicht 'n kompletten Chromium mitschicken, weil wir können dir auch quasi einen Render aus dem Betriebssystem mit dem ganz normalen Web Frame Markler eben anbieten, sodass wir son bisschen son Kompromiss haben. Da ist halt immer noch die die Dino Run Time dabei. Das ist dann nicht ganz so klein, wie es halt vielleicht mit Taurie und Rust werbe. Wir sind da so bei glaub, so 40, 50 Megabyte. Ich mein, nachgucken, da haben wir son sehr ehrlichen Vergleich angestellt, was so die Binary Größe angeht. Genau, sagen, 40 Megabyte, wenn Du halt das Betriebssystem Webview nimmst und 150, wenn Du halt 'n Chrome quasi rein einbetten willst. Aber ansonsten hast Du halt schon die Möglichkeit, deutlich kleiner zu sein als so das Durchschnitts Electron Binary und auch deutlich kleiner zu sein als Elektrobun, was ja so die von Bun der Rapper ist, Apps mit Electron irgendwie zusammenzuschütten. Tauri ist immer noch kleiner, ja, aber sie wollen da in diesem Markt jetzt eben auch mal mitspielen. So, das fand ich irgendwie ganz cool, weil ihr anderes großes Alleinstellungsmerkmal ist halt, dass sie sagen, sie kriegen halt guten Framework Support mit für, für View, für Hassa irgendwie alles nicht gesehen. Mhm. Dass Du halt deine Anwendung im Prinzip gar nicht groß darauf anpassen musst und einfach sagen hast, hey, ich hab hier meine meine DAX Anwendung und jetzt würde ich dir einmal den oder Desktop von oben machen. Sie erkennen das Framework. Sie entdeckten da son paar Umgebungsvariablen rein, dass es gut läuft mit dem Rapper und dann ist das angeblich auch einfach schon fertig. Okay, also wenn ich wenn ich Dino nutze sowieso schon, krieg ich das eigentlich for free Ja. Direkt, okay. Mhm. Und wenn Du 1 von den unterstützen Trameworks benutzt, musst Du halt wirklich gar nix anpassen. Ach geil. Und ansonsten, wenn Du halt einfach nur, rein, vorzeichen normalen Dino Webserver nutzt, muss ja eigentlich viel tun. Mhm. So. Das fand ich, wie gesagt, ganz cool, weil das doch mal irgendwie was ganz anderes noch ist und ja auch son Markt, wo sich zuletzt mit Tauri und Elektrobund halt schon auch was getan hat. Und ich glaub, mehr Player ist da irgendwie schon mehr gut und wie immer bei Dino ist ja so der USP, wir bringen dir das ganze Tooling irgendwie mit. Das war ja schon bei der Dino Run Time alleine so. Wir bringen hier Bitool mit und Linder und unsere eigene Registing, hast Du irgendwie alles nicht gesehen. Und das ist ja auch so. Also es ist halt irgendwie so Auto Update mit drin, dass das der Bildprozess für alle Betriebssysteme irgendwie direkt angebunden unterstützt. Du brauchst keine Plug ins für irgendwie Auto Updates. Du kannst Cross Compile direkt machen. Der einzige Unterschied zu jetzt grade Tauri zum Beispiel ist halt, dass sie jetzt noch nicht, sie sagen explizit noch nicht, dazu kommt es noch, Mobile Supporter. Also Tauri war ja damals so megacool, als sie rausgekommen ist oder als in der 2 0 rausgekommen ist, dass sie auch iOS und Android Target zu unterstützen und das geht jetzt mit Dino Desktop und deswegen heißt auch Dino Desktop und nicht, ja, kann ein Dino Mobile oder so. Vielleicht kommt auch nicht nur Mobile. Ja, ich hör das hier first ey, aber wenn's rauskommt, würd das Dino Mobile heißen, weiß ich das einfach mal so. Ja, kann's irgendwie ganz gut. Ich hab ehrlicherweise jetzt noch nicht selber für was nutzen können, aber wir haben ja auch für die Programmierkunden dieses Jahr wieder ein kleines App Joy gefunden. Vielleicht kann man das da 'n bisschen Oh, servus. Und Du hast eingeleitet ein Thema mit, da ging's nicht so, dir ging's nicht so gut oder man munkelte, dir ging's nicht so gut und das ist jetzt für dich das Zeichen, da läuft alles richtig gut. Ja, man muss wahrscheinlich man muss wahrscheinlich son bisschen unterscheiden, ne? Dino ist ja am Ende auch son VC gebacktes Unternehmen, so und irgendwie müssen die halt am Ende Geld verdienen und wenn Sie jetzt sagen, Sie fahren Ihr Datenbankangebot zurück, weil man lieber für produktiveinsätze vielleicht andere Datenbanken nutzen sollte als Dino Key Value. Sie fahren ihre Infrastruktur zurück auf weniger Regionen. Das ist vielleicht auch einfach alles nur so Konsolidierung, ja. Und am Ende ist es ja bei so Projekten auch immer so, es gibt da zwar diese Firma, aber es gibt ja auch eine Open Source Bewegung hinten dran. Also selbst wenn jetzt die Firma heute den Betrieb einstellen würde, könnte ja die Information noch weiterentwickelt werden. Von daher, wie gut es jetzt wirtschaftlich die noch steht, steht wahrscheinlich auf 'nem anderen Blatt. Mhm. Aber zumindest sieht das nicht so aus, als ob sie die Arbeit daran einstellen würden und sich irgendwie auch was ganz anderes als Covid nur an würden. Mhm. Ich mein, grade wenn's den kommerziellen Aspekt geht, hätte das ja auch 'n ganz anderen Twist nehmen können und sie hätten sagen können, okay, wir arbeiten inhaltlich nicht mehr an Dino oder nicht mehr so stark an Dino weiter, sondern wir kümmern uns mehr das Hosting Business drumrum. Wir machen unsere Plattform größer und und bla bla bla. Und zumindest das ist jetzt offensichtlich so nicht passend. Mhm. Dino ist eigenständig, also wann ist hier bei Intropic? Ist Dino eigenständig oder Okay. Dino ist ja damals von Ryan Dahl hier in Not OS geschafft worden mit zu dem Ansatz. Mit Dino kann ich all das richtig machen, was ich bei now j s gelernt hab, sozusagen. Ah ja, schön. Ja. Gleicher Ansatz, alles richtig machen, was wir am Anfang falsch gemacht haben und was gelernt habe. Was hat denn IntelliJ mit Es ist nicht es ist nicht Juni oder? Juni. Diese ganzen AI Namen da draußen. Du hast lang nicht mehr die lang nicht mehr die Moderation gemacht, ne? Ja, das merkst Du, wie gut es ist, ne? Ja, deswegen nein, das ist so von der hat das halt so Jahre in dir, aber das Training noch drin ist, so. Ja. So, ohne irgendwelche Hick ups so, perfekte Übergänge, so. Gute Nachfragen, ich mag das bisher. So und ohne Ironie? Ich start mal mit meinem Thema. Ja. Genau. Es geht Juni, nicht wie wir gerade festgestellt haben, die heimliche Geliebte von Jan, wo es auf gar keinen Fall rauskommt darf, dass es stattfindet, richtig? Ja. Würde ja auch niemand im öffentlichen Podcast sein. Genau, das wär ja echt extrem belastend, halt. Alter, shit. Es geht Juni und zwar ist das von Jetbrains, die KI Coding Agent namens Juni ist natürlich Allenbekannt. Allenbekannt, aber wirklich Also hier mal, 2 von 3 Leuten im Raum sind ja Jetrainunsure, muss man ja auch mal sagen. Genau. Repräsentativ für alle Developer da draußen. Das ist ja, genau eben. Ist ja auch die, nee, mach den, benn IDIs. So ist es nämlich. Ja, genau. Es braucht ja 'n bisschen auch, bis man in der Neuzeit reinkommt. Selber Ja, ja, das ist ja die Prozentstrafe. Genau. Nee, weil sie also im Endeffekt also schon durchaus vergleichbar mit Codex oder der Cloud App halt einfach, ne. Also ist dafür da, Code zu planen, zu debuggen, Codes implementieren, zu Reviewen, also alles drum und dran. Und das ist nämlich, also die Neuigkeit, wir haben euch vor 10 Monaten oder so schon, also ist bisschen her, haben wir über Juni schon geredet. Jetzt ist es so, JetBracks hat gesagt, hey, wir sind superhappy, wie alles läuft. Alles ist stabil, alles Label. Es ist bereit für die echte Welt und kommen jetzt aus der Betaphase raus und ist dann jetzt für alle zugänglich. Und da wollt ich noch mal hier an der Stelle 'n paar coole Features hervorheben, die da mit reinkommen. Das ist die News jetzt. Das das ist die News jetzt. Von Beta zu echt nicht. Nicht schlecht. Na, wissen, aber der, weil Du jetzt Vielleicht würdest Du sagen, krass. Okay. So, jetzt bist Du 'n bisschen haily. Da konnt ich doch gleich ein Feature, warum ich das besonders hart feier. Okay. Raus. Also das 1., was halt irgendwie cool ist, find ich, ist Agentic Debugging. Probleme, die man so noch normalerweise hat, ne, wenn Du jetzt auch so Klo, Ziel, Ei benutzt, dann ist es natürlich Chlo hat sieht da irgendwelche Error Nachrichten, irgendwelche arbeitet mit irgendwelchen Prints und sagt, ah okay, da ist jetzt irgendwie der Fehler. Also gleich korrigier das so. Und weil natürlich June jetzt in deiner Jet Brains IDI lebt, kann es halt wirklich halt sehen so, hey, okay, hier ist, ich krieg diese Fehler nachher wirklich oder kann halt dann auch so Breakpoints setzen und dann halt die dann wirklich abfangen in der Situation und dann besser debuggen. Oder Du kannst sagen, hey, ich hab hier 'n UI Fehler, so, wenn ich den Button drücke, dann passiert das und das gar nicht. Und Juni setzt dann selbst die Breakpoints in der IDI. Sagt dann okay, hey, wenn Du ready bist, führ das mal aus und guck dann, was passiert dann im Codes? Also son bisschen mehr mehr advanceder ist schon irgendwie sehr, sehr cool. Und es also verlässt dir noch echte Fehlermeldung, anstatt halt irgendwie bitte mit Logs zu arbeiten, was halt sehr, sehr cool ist. Und eine Sache, die ich megacool finde und mit close bisher auch sehr viel genutzt habe, ist wie man dieser Planning Mode. Natürlich grade, ich glaub jetzt Jetzt kommen wir da jetzt kommen wir. Ja. Auch sehr gerne ansprechen. Was natürlich megacool ist, ne, wenn man da 'n größeres Feature irgendwie plant, sich dann sagt, hey, okay, bevor Du jetzt diese Riesenänderung machst, strukturierst mal den Plan, versteht den Code. Wie würdest Du's machen und gib mir dann irgendwie so die einzelnen Schritte an, ne. Dann ist also häufig natürlich das schon einige Sachen, die der Klub meistens macht, sagt er, hey guck mal, da sind hier diese 12 Schritte. Ich würd zuerst das machen, dann das und das. Und dann kannst Du sagen, ja, okay. Ja, okay. Und mach unoMoont an und nein und sag mir, was ich anders machen soll, so, ne. Und einige haben wir so, so, na ja, eigentlich ist das fast richtig, aber hier bei Schritt 5 würd ich nur das 'n bisschen ändern wollen, bei Schritt 7 das und Schritt 9 hier da und so diesen kleinen Week. Und das finde ich, ist 'n bisschen inkonveniert. Es geht nicht so einfach. Und was das Coole jetzt an Juni ist, die erstellt halt einfach ein Dokument. Weiß ich nicht, vom Namen her auch schon das weiblich, sage Juni. Ich sag mal Juni. Das ist eine weiblich AI. Ja. Ist ziemlich gut. Und ich fand, Juni erstellt 'n Dokument so quasi wie son quasi Feature Anforderungsdokument. Und Du kannst dann halt auch dann wirklich bearbeiten und dann halt dann Punkte dann halt sagen so, hey, das ist nicht richtig, mach das mal weg. Selbst editieren, bearbeiten und sagen, okay, jetzt ist der Plan für mich perfekt. Schieß mal los. So. Und das ist kleine convenience, aber ich find, das ist schon etwas, was mir relativ häufig so entgegenkommen, wo ich dachte, ah, das find ich grad angenehm gut gelöst in der Closeziel, ey. Und das war ja immer mein Hype Feature, warum ich Googles Integrvity so cool fand, weil sie auch so diesen Plan als First Class Citizen in der IDE sozusagen drin hatten. Bis jetzt mit der neuen Anti Gravity Version, der genau das gemacht haben, was Du bei Jetpran so feierst, nämlich die IDE quasi entfernt haben. So. Heißt es quasi immer noch in diesem Plan rumschreiben, aber es gibt halt überhaupt keinen IDE Teil mehr, Code irgendwie zwischendrin anzugucken oder so. Ja. Und deshalb bin ich da auch wieder wegfahren. Ja. Aber so, dass das Jetbeins jetzt machen. Genau, genau. Und das ist also vielleicht ist das aber sogar was Allgemeines so irgendwie, was ich aktuell in meinem Workflow noch gut finde und vielleicht auch alle Zuhörerinnen da draußen. Irgendwie, ich hab ich hab ja auch die App benutzt. Ich hab auch Codex App benutzt. Und ich fand immer, das war nicht so ganz, weil ich auch noch beschrieben hab, hey, ich möchte das haben. Das Ergebnis irgendwie fertig und ich dann mir die Diffs anschauen. Irgendwie hab ich so, ja, aber ich würd dir jetzt gerne von der Stelle, die Du jetzt angefasst hast, noch mal weiter reinspringen in den Code und gucken, was ist da und da an der Stelle? Ist das noch insgesamt funktional so? Und deswegen bin ich dann doch immer so, okay, ich hab's machen lassen und hab dann in meiner IDI den PR ausgecheckt und hab dann noch mal dort geguckt. Und irgendwie denk mir, wär das alles in meiner IDI Stadtzettel, find ich schon irgendwie geil und ich, also wenn's jemandem so ähnlich geht da draußen, ich wär's auf jeden Fall erst mal Viel you, Dave, weil ich mein, Dennis lacht schon, aber hier. Nein, nein, nein, nein. Nein, nein, nein. Also ich bin schon schon 'n aller gute Monate. Ja, aber komm, also ganz ernsthaft, Dennis nutzt ja der Kontakter und immer, wenn wir da an der Webseite sitzen und das gerade irgendwie nicht so gut funktioniert, gucken wir da ja auch mal in den Code rein. Wenn Du dabei bist, ja. 1 muss ja. 1 muss ja. Nein, ist richtig. Noch. Ich mach mich, genau, also erstens noch und zweitens ist das natürlich 'n bisschen gespielt, dass dass sich darüber Ja. Aber es ist Ich hab ich hab grundsätzlich ja, ich hab grundsätzlich natürlich nichts gegen Intellij und ich hab auch nichts gegen Juni. Nichts, was funktioniert zumindest. Und ich weiß das, also ich kann das gut verstehen mit dem Planet. Wir hatten viele interne Diskussionen zu dem Thema. Gab ja auch externe Tools. Ich hab grade nicht so auf die Planentator ist das, was Du auch das Ja, Du hattest ja auch immer noch. Ja, die das diese das 'n bisschen überbrückt haben so, weil das ist, was vielen fehlt hat, dass man einfach diesen Plan reintippen kann Ja. Sozusagen oder reinsprechen natürlich. Ja. Ja. Doktor Flow. Ja. Genau. Vielleicht 2 Sachen, die noch mal so am Rande Erwähnungswert sind. Es gibt natürlich auch 'n Remote Control mit Handy. Nein. Das ist also eigentlich eher Standard natürlich heutzutage, aber ist cool, dass sie jetzt auch mit dabei ist. Und wie heißt dieses Featurmodus? Klo Modus. Klo Modus. Aber es ist halt, Klomodus ist halt mit Klod besser, weil das halt da drin ist so irgendwie schon. Ding, also das ist bloß irgendwie Juni. Muss man noch mal binden. Ja. Und was natürlich auch cool ist, es ist alles LLM agnostisch so, ne? Also deswegen, was man was halt irgendwie son bisschen auch so der Workflow vielleicht sein könnte. Also wie heißt es, man dann halt im im Planning sagt man, hey, okay, ich nehm irgendwie Faible 5 und so mit ganz hohem F-Fort und der macht mir den Plan und dann halt den Code dann am Ende auszuführen, kann ich irgend 'n billigeres Modell nehmen und dann halt da an der Stelle irgendwie Kosten und auch Zeit sparen, ne, weil das halt nicht so lang rumwuddeln muss. Ist halt halt irgendwie cool, natürlich diese Flexibilität zu haben, anstatt halt an irgendein bestimmtes Modell gebunden zu sein. Ja. Wie ist das kostmäßig? Und das ist interessant, denn Chatbrains Gut, dass Du fragst möchtest. Hat natürlich ihr Pricing Modell angepasst und da kann euch Jan wahrscheinlich mehr so sagen. Danke, ich hab echt nicht mehr nachgeguckt. Ich hab nur eine Nummer eine Sendung gesagt und das Thema anguckt, schau noch mal ins Pricing rein. Also die E-Mail, die ich, glaub ich, gestern oder vorgestern bekommen hab und bei uns auch einmal ganz kurz geteilt, war, dass Sie umstellen von diesem Seed based Pricing auf son Teampool an AI Tokens. Das heißt, wenn Ah. Bei uns jetzt quasi Dave und ich nutzen beide Jet Trends AI im Abo. Mhm. Und im Prinzip ziehen wir jetzt beide aus demselben AI Pool Tokens raus. Klar, aber das ist schon so gebridges, also Du kannst jetzt OPOS nutzen und Jet Trains rechnet das ab intern. Ja, genau. Ja. Wir haben halt pro LLM quasi sonen anderen fiktiven Kosten Mhm, Tonfaktor, ja. Genau. Aber wie kannst Du, ich glaub, GitHub machst Du ja auch son Copilot mittlerweile, dass Du ja alles da irgendwie auswählen kannst an LLM und die das dann unterschiedlich berechnen, aber ja. Ich glaub, da sie haben das son bisschen Kritiker*innen würden jetzt natürlich sagen aufzubauen. Ja. Dass Was sagen die Hader? Na ja, dass sone Harness ja auch irgendwie zur Seite zum Modell passen muss, ne, also dass Du noch größere Vorteile hast, wenn Ach so, ja. Die Harness außen rum speziell gestaltet wurde für das passende LM. Wie heißt es, wie heißt's noch mal? Es ist bei Japrance ist das Melum? Melum? Melum war ja das, ne? Dieses kleinere Modell, was ja auch für so Code Compleetion und kleinere Snippets und so was sofort hatten. Glaub ich, da und Juni auch verwendet oder Melum 2 jetzt mittlerweile irgendwie so was. Aber es gibt ja so Open Code oder so, die ja von Anfang an auch gesagt haben, so, wir bauen hier dieses Harness und Du kannst irgendwie ein Model mitbringen, was Du willst. Und das hat ja auch viele Freunde hier auch bei uns. Ja, genau. Also ich ich hab ja von den Kritikern da draußen Ja, also nein. Nee, meine Meinung, hör. Aber ich hab mal gehört, Leute sagen. Nein, ich glaube, es ist auch es ist auch unterschiedlich, wie stark das ist. Also ich glaube bei Anti Gravity beziehungsweise Germany war es relativ stark, weil Germany ja ein Modell, das 'n bisschen anders gepromptet werden muss im Bereich von Coding und man jetzt einfach nur es gleich prompted, wie irgendwie man crowd prompent wurde, das 'n bisschen schwierig ist und da hat natürlich dann dieses ganze Anti Gravity, CLI und HANES irgendwo sehr speziell darauf eingezahlt. Ich glaube, da hat man's stark gemerkt und dann gibt's andere, wo das natürlich nicht so Vielleicht wird es auch in Zukunft son bisschen anders, ne. Also es ist ja bei vielen einfach so, dass wenn Du das LLDM austauscht, Du im Prinzip nur son API Endpunkt wechselst und vielleicht muss einfach das noch wie son Adapter im Prinzip mitbringen, der halt vielleicht einen Prompt noch son bisschen anpasst, der son bisschen mehr System Prompting und Kontext vielleicht noch mitgibt, halt wirklich aus jedem potenziellen Modell noch so das Maximum p p rauszukratzen. Aber auf jeden Fall, also spannend, ich werd's auf jeden Fall benutzen. Haben wir dafür noch Lizenzen denn das? Jetbraines und AI und so was, könnt ihr da auch mitnutzen? Ja, ja. Ja. Weil hast Du dieses Ultimate alles drin Paket? Ja, ja, dann. Da ist es drin. Geil. Wenn Du mehr brauchst, musst Du son VR Abo einfach. Kostet ja auch nur 'n paar 1000 für sone IDE im Jahr, statt schönen Kostennot. Egal. Gut. Mhm. Kontroverses Thema intern. Ja. Kommen wir zum nächsten Geilen Thema. Ja, Thema. Übergang. Ich dachte Dennis Nee, ich versuche jetzt, ich will natürlich jetzt nicht irgendwie, dass ich jetzt der große Cloud Fan wäre oder Antropic Fan oder anderes. Ich versuche jetzt möglichst kritisch das nächste Thema zu beachten. Nein, also Antropic hat einiges auch wieder released. Die sind also so viel dabei rauszubringen und auf 2 Dinge möchte ich heute noch mal kurz eingehen. Das 1. Ist, es gibt ein Update Cloud Design. Wir haben schon über Cloud Design gesprochen, ist eine Tooling von Cloud, wo man eben Designs erstellen lassen kann. Und bis jetzt, so war die Version Aber ich glaube auch, dass das sich aus sonem Beta Ding irgendwie raus ist. Irgend irgendjemand hat sich dieser Oh. Ja. Geändert. Und das ist die News? Nein. Es hat sich auch einiges anderes geändert. Das Pricing Modell. Das Okay, Pricing, ja, können wir kurz darauf eingehen, denn tatsächlich, Claude Design hat vorher unfassbar viele Tokens verbrannt und hatte auch irgendwie so noch sonen eigenen Pool. Das war 'n bisschen limitierend irgendwie, weil man 20 Minuten Claude Design genutzt hat und dann war alles aufgebaut. Mhm. Das haben sie zum einen optimiert intern, das heißt, es einfach nicht mehr so token hungrig ist und es speist sich jetzt aus dem gleichen, was auch immer, Pool, den Du hast mit Co Work und Cloud Code und so weiter. Mhm. Praktisch in einem ganzen Enthrobic Pool da. Und ich glaube aber, was noch deutlich spannender geworden ist, ich hab mich damals relativ kritisch, glaube ich, geäußert, als ich das mal initial getestet hab, weil so diese Konsistenz im Design irgendwie immer noch 'n bisschen was anderes ist für mich als im Code. Weißt Du, wenn jetzt eine Codezeile 'n bisschen anders geschrieben ist, dann ist die funktional irgendwie noch die gleiche und es ist ja nicht zu schlimm und das Ergebnis passt irgendwie. Und im Design ist es aber halt 'n Unterschied, ob LinkedIn 5 Pixel sind oder 10 Pixel oder ob das der Radi Connor Radios, der identisch ist oder so. Und es ist einfach immer noch 'n gewisser Freiraum so gewesen und Du hast bis jetzt auch Cloud Design so bedient, hey, ich will irgendwie, ne, dieses Design machen und hier ist eine Vorlage, keine Ahnung was und dann hat er halt daraus irgendwie son Set gemacht. Und was jetzt viel viel stärker geworden ist und ein weiterer Move natürlich ist von Anthropic gerade in diese Business Use Cases reinzugehen, dass man Design Systeme hat, die halt eine Brand wiedergeben und die viel viel konsistenter geworden sind. Das heißt, wir haben wahnsinnig viele ja Kategorien, so sieht was aus, so sehen Komponenten aus letztendlich und das neu erstellte Design wird da hingegen abgeglichen und dann noch mal angepasst, was einfach heißt, es ist jetzt nicht 'n Button, der dann irgendwie noch mal 'n leichten andere Farbe hat oder Ja. 'n anderen oder so, sondern es wird einfach viel, viel stärker darauf geachtet, dass diese Konsistenz Konsistenz zum zum eigentlichen Brand Design bestehen bleiben. Ja. Und das ist natürlich, ja, hilfreich und megacool. Ich hab's mal kurz angetestet und mir so 1, 2 Slides für eine Präsentation generieren lassen. Das sah schon sehr nach Lotum aus, also vorher Geil. Als Lotum Webseite und so Ja. Was generieren lassen. Also scheint da tatsächlich auch Fortschritte zu machen. Ja, wie hat das bei dir gedauert? Welche Pfad? Dieses Slides. Die Slides generieren? Das war nicht lang, das war nicht eine Minute oder so. Ich hab es nämlich auch, als es rauskam, getestet, für die programmierbaren Designsystemen bauen zu lassen Und ich hab's aber, weil das das gab so einen Tag Schnittmenge, das ist rausgekommen und Fable war grade noch verfügbar. So hab ich das natürlich dann gedacht, ja. Fable macht das jetzt. Fable macht das jetzt. Fable. Fable rockt schon. Ja. Das hat unglaublich lange gedauert. Also das hat natürlich auch den ganzen Code und die Live Webseite und son paar Figmafiles, die ich dir mitgegeben hab, die wir noch vom Design haben, ist alles durchgegangen. Aber ich glaub, da ist da 2 Stunden oder so was so rumgerüttelt, das Bowy. Zusammenzubauen. Und war's dann gut? Ja, also ich muss auch sagen, ich hab dir ja gestern schon son kleinen gezeigt. Ja, ja. Das ist da rausgekommen. Und das ist schon auch ganz cool. Ich muss sagen, ich bin immer noch kein Cloud Design Power User. So also ich fand's son bisschen brüchig vom Flow, ich hab jetzt hier 'n Designsystem, wie krieg ich das jetzt zu Cloud Code, dass er mir darauf aufbauend jetzt tatsächlich auch 'n Feature baut? So in Cloud Design das weiter zu entwickeln und darauf zu iterieren und hier was zu ändern und das ist alles cool. Ja. Aber danach ist gefühlt son Continuity Gap, wo ich dann Warte, wirklich? Kannst oben rechts, glaub ich, auf Copy to Cloud Code klicken und dann kriegst Du son Link, den Cloud Code lesen kann. Weil, also das ist doch, also der Use Case. Also ich hätt's jetzt Das darf das darf ich nämlich auch. Weil weil sonst irgendwie, wofür willst Du das erstellen, hä? So, ich hab jetzt hier son son Design File und dann kann ich das editen und dann kann ich's tweaken, ich kann's sharen an euch, ich kann Drücken auf Share und ob dann Cloud Code als Auswahl kommt? No, da kann ich nur E-Mail-Adressen, das Also ich hab's auf jeden Fall schon genutzt, Feature, dass ich mit 'nem Link praktisch Ah hier, ja. Ja. Da haben wir's doch. Okay. Und was was kriegt Cloud Code dann? Ich glaube tatsächlich nur 'n Link und wenn das aber halt freigegeben ist, in dem was aus der Organisation oder wie auch immer, holt er sich dann automatisch die Infos. Mhm. Das muss ich mal probieren, wenn ich das dann umsetzt. Genau. Ja, und ganz frisch aus aus den News ist noch Clay Tag. Pusabier, TAGTAG und zwar, weil Du's taggen sollst, das ganze Ding. Und ich glaube Mit dem Namingskeeper ist, glaube ich, auch Cloud, ist da selber drauf gekommen. Hab ich gedacht, das ist, das ist krass, das müssen wir so nennen. Verstanden oder noch mal? Guck's 'n bisschen unglaublich. Ich wünsch dir mal, was jetzt kommt. Nein, nein, das ist Hype, das ist mein Hype Weg. Okay, dann Ja, ja, das ist so. Ich glaube tatsächlich, das ist größer, als man denkt aktuell. Ich find's megaspannend. Ich bin sehr gespannt darauf, wie's funktionieren darauf, wie's funktionieren wird. Was ist es grundsätzlich erst mal Okay, genau, ich wollt sagen Halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb. Was ist grundsätzlich erst mal, Du packst clayd in Slack. Und jetzt denkst Du, oh, das ist ja gar diese Neues. Das gab's ja vorher schon. Wollte ich ja vorher schon fragen. Das ist, ich hab ich hab nur kurz kurzer Ausflug. Ich hab ein eine Sache bei Slack gespeichert, weil wir hatten doch irgendwie, Claude hat so vor Jahren mal eingebaut, weißt Du noch? Und dann und dann hast Du immer so angefangen gestellt und halt Claude immer dieselben Antwort und geh so, tut mir leid, ich kann das nicht beantworten. Ich bin Claude, ein da. Das war's als. Und ich hab mich so gepisst vor Lachen bei diesem Spread. Das ist immer eigentlich mehr, wenn ich mal so lachen möchte, das ist irgendwie dieses Spread an. Also es hat alles so weit. Vor also vor 2 Jahren, vor 3 Jahren? Vor langer Zeit, ja genau. Aber das diese Integration ist jetzt neu. Und zwar und zwar Neu gemacht. Neu gemacht. Und zwar, wie Du's dir vorstellen kannst, Claude wird ein tatsächlicher Mitarbeiter innerhalb deines Slack Workspaces, Mhm. Was auch das ganze Berichtigungsmodell dahinter angeht, was es ja durchändert und so ist es so. Bis jetzt ist ja, wenn Du irgendwie mit Clautend agiert hast, ist es immer aus deiner Perspektive, aus deiner, ne, ich persönlich Genau. Okay, ganz kurze dumme Frage, wenn Du sagst, er wird Mitarbeiter, heißt es, er hat, also musstest Du ihm quasi son Slack Account machen oder ist er slack mäßig immer noch 'n Bot eigentlich? Slack mäßig ist er noch 'n Bot, Okay. Aber er ist tatsächlich auf jetzt, also weil wir Google Workspace nutzen. Er ist ein Google Nutzer geworden Mhm. Und der der hat kriegt auch jetzt 'n Account bei Linear bei GitHub nicht zwangsweise, weil Du's da einfach verbinden kannst auch über das Google Konto, aber genau, also kriegt dann überall eigene Accounts zurück. Mhm. Und darüber kannst Du halt dann auch noch mal die die rechte Management machen, ne? Weil's natürlich eine andere Ebene ist, jetzt auch einmal, wenn nicht mehr Du alleine damit interagierst, sondern wenn's viel zu sein. Und das ist ja auch, glaub ich, der große Knackpunkt, warum's anders und cool ist. Es ist nicht mehr der Singleplayer, ich interagiere mit meiner AI und klick eine Antwort und bilde mir drin, sondern ich kann als Team mit Cloud zusammenarbeiten. Ich kann alles Also erstens, es ist erst mal so, der Kontext davon ist irgendwie erst mal der Slack Thread, den er hat und er baut sich auch aus dem eine Memory zusammen. Vielleicht alles, was da so passiert, wird irgendwo auch im Hintergrund gespeichert. Dann ist es so, dass Du mit GitHub und Linear und Cloud Code im Hintergrund und so was einfach Tasks starten kannst. Das heißt, Du kannst sagen, hey, hier ist der Linear Task, da kommen unsere Band oder natürlich auch den erstellen aus der Diskussion ist das entstanden. Und dann nutzt Du quasi Cloud Code Genau und dann nutzt Du's Code in der Cloud und macht was damit. Das Ganze zu machen, die ganzen Antworten zu schicken. Du kannst aber dann halt parallel einfach in dem Thread, wo dann Cloud angefangen hat, irgendwas zu machen, kann ein anderer darauf zugreifen. Kann sagen, hey, ich find das aber eine blöde End. Ah, je. Lass mal bitte so machen. Und damit gleichzeitig halt grob beeinflussen und das eben mit mehrere Nutzer. Ist immer gut, weil man sich über die Implementierung streitet, während der 3. Karte. Ganz genau, genau, genau. Wenn es dann Und ja, dann ist er auch proaktiv tatsächlich. Also ist jetzt nicht nur, dass er auf Sachen antwortet, sondern es kann auch sein, dass irgendwie, wenn irgendwas passiert ist oder keine Ahnung, was er dann kommt und sagt, hey, guckt euch mal dieses Issue an oder ne, sollten wir das noch machen, also ist auch eine gewisse Proaktivität. Ach, das hat das hat die allen vorher immer. Ja, es ist tatsächlich son bisschen wie, ja, wie heißt die Mama? Das hatten wir vorhin aber noch nicht, ne. Das war immer nur bei uns in dem Test Flagchen, wo wir's hatten, haben wir den so Okay. Auf das, was wir gemacht haben. Aber ich fand's gut, dass er direkt so unseren Vibe mitbekommen hat und die Antworten auch nur so halbernst gemeint irgendwie waren. Das stimmt. Ja, ganz großer Nachteil, großer Nachteil, es ist tokenbasiert abgerechnet. Das heißt, es gibt nicht mehr über die Abos, sondern das ist einfach organisationstechnisch dann einfach Token. Das heißt Das heißt, eine IDI bestimmt viel billiger. Wieso? Na, wenn Du jetzt 'n Codingcast darüber machst, dann sind's halt echte Token. Von daher wird's erst mal richtig teuer. Mhm. Sie schenken einem 2000 Euro antocken jetzt erst mal initial, es 'n bisschen ausprobieren zu können. Und Sie selbst sagen aber, dass 75 Prozent der Interaktion mit Claw, die Sie intern bei Anthropic haben, seit, also Sie nutzen sowohl schon mehrere Monate, ausschließlich darüber laufen. 65 Prozent. Fünfsiebziger Dinge. Aber was ist denn jetzt so als Firma oder Erwartungshaltung da dran? Weil wenn ich jetzt die Wahl hab, schon eher jeder kann sein Eigenem schauen nutzen und es kostet nichts oder nicht mehr als das laufende Abo oder alle arbeiten da mit ihm zusammen und das wird ja auf einen Schritt, also es wird ja exponentiell teurer. Wenn man manchmal so bei Cloud Juxent schreien, dann hast Du sone einzelne Featureentwicklung, was da bist Du ja schon mal ganz schnell bei, ich sag mal zweistelligen Brotherbuching im Feature, ja? Wenn ich mir jetzt überlegt, wie würden die ganze Workload, die wir so in den, ich sag mal, lokalen Cloud haben, in diesen Cloud Tech schieben, Ja. Sind ja tausende Euro im Monat. Ich kann jetzt kurz. Nee, wir können weiter machen. Hier sind noch Fehlermeldung, reverside aufgetoppt, aber sieht gern gut aus. Ja, ich kann Das ist richtig. Ich kann dir sogar 'n reales Beispiel nehmen. Also im Endeffekt ist es, glaub ich, einfach 'n Abwägen der Kosten so. Aber wir hatten nämlich eine ähnliche Diskussion, deswegen find ich eigentlich sehr cool, dass es jetzt möglich ist. Und zwar, wir nutzen ja Linear für das Tracking unserer Issues und grade halt so, oft wissen wir, also jeder ist an seinem Projekt dran und man weiß eigentlich, woran man isst, ne, aber manchmal kommen ja so Sachen rein wie Bugs, wie irgendwelche Textsachen, die ja dann auch irgendwann anfallen. So. Und da haben wir uns gesagt so, hey, in Linear kann's auch so den Linear Agent antaggen, ne, hat irgend 'n Problem oder halt auch Kodex. Problem bei Kodex ist dann, wenn ich's, also ich ich schreib mir das Issue, wenn ich sag, Kodex macht das, nehmt ihr halt mein Kodex, also das wird mit, was mit meinem Account verbunden ist, so. Das heißt, ich mach da irgendwas und jemand anderes kann darauf zugreifen. Das heißt, ich lass jetzt meinen Kodex Agent abarbeiten so und bin dann aber dann am Ende doch dafür verantwortlich. Deswegen eigentlich schon cool, dass man so was Neutrales ist. Und ich geborene dir recht, also die Kosten waren schon immens damals. Ich glaub, als wir das mit dem Lineal ausprobiert haben, ich weiß nicht genau, es war was recht Triviales, so, waren dann 15 Dollar oder so am Ende, ne. Wo ich denk, boah, okay, es ist schon mal 'n bisschen einiges, ne. Aber also die andere Realität an der Stelle wär ja, irgendjemand von uns hätte sich da drangesetzt, hätte sich irgendwie in dieses Ding eingelesen, hätte das mit seinem lokalen Agent irgendwie noch mal alles beschrieben, so Pipapo. Und unsere Zeit wär dafür draufgegangen und wir hätten jetzt nicht aktiv an 'nem Feature entwickeln können. Und das ist dann so Nee. Muss unsere Zeit dann an der Stelle besser aufgehoben, wenn das grad so kleine Nervsachen sind, wie irgendwelche Bugs so, ne, irgendwie Support sagt, hey, guck mal, hier ist der Case. Und dann sagst Du, ey at Claude, Claude Tech, ist da was dran? Kannst Du's mal untersuchen so? Und man muss sich damit nicht irgendwie erst mal auseinandersetzen. Ist es ja eigentlich dann am Ende nur eine Frage vom Abwägen der Kosten einfach so? Aber ist das nicht 'n bisschen zu sehr vereinfacht? Also Ja. Es es kostet dich ja jetzt Genau. Dafür sind wir 'n Podcast sind wir. Aber also ich mein, das kostet dich ja auch jetzt nicht unendlich viel Zeit bei deinem lokalen Cloud zu sagen, hier ist 'n linear Issu, guck dir das an und ihr und ihr wart euch ihr das mal gegebenenfalls machen, keine Ahnung was. Das ist einmal prompt und dann läuft er da vielleicht eine halbe Stunde dran. Also kurzfristig, ich bin bei dir. Ich glaube, kurzfristig muss man's wirklich erst mal abwägen und dann gucken, nimmt man für jetzt große Coding Tasks, wo man weiß, ne, das ist und ist auch erst mal egal, ob da jetzt andere drauf gucken, ich mach den ersten Wurf davon oder so was, dass man sowas vielleicht weiterhin einfach in seinem lokalen Environment laufen lässt. Genau, da bin ich so weit. Aber Ja, genau. Das mein ich, aber da da das muss ich, glaube ich, so etablieren, was uns das passieren macht Genau, das macht so eine Gruppe. So was, ja. Aber halt gerade diese, ja, dieses Knowledge hinweg über ne über mehrere Dinge in der Zusammenarbeit oder so, stelle ich mir sehr mächtig vor. Es sind ja Teile auch ne, wie man also auf anderen Wegen versuchen wir ja ähnlich irgendwie auch jetzt schon was zu machen. Ein ein Team hat jetzt so eine Obsidian Volt. Oder Volt heißt. Ich hab auch nur die Closure? Nein. Eingerichtet, wo es ja auch dann in eine ähnliche Richtung geht. Vielleicht noch 'n bisschen, ne, intensiver dann, weil da noch mehr drin liegen kann, aber wo es auch eben die Zusammenarbeit geht, dass alle auf dem gleichen Stand sind. Mhm. Wenn Agents an was gearbeitet haben, das ganze Ding wieder updaten können. Und dann ist es eigentlich ganz cool, wenn es eigentlich eine Instanz dieses Agents ist, der halt trotzdem da lebt und halt ne diesen Kontext hat, so. Und ja, also von daher, es war entspannend, so, falls tatsächlich für 'n Rechtungsmodell irgendwie so vom Gedanken da auch noch mal anders ist, ne, dass es halt so mehr noch eine eigene Instanz ist, die dann auch mehr noch von sich selbst irgendwie und nicht nur eine Hilfe für die Einzelperson, sondern die da irgendwo lebt. Ja, ich bin gespannt, wie's der Weg geht. Können wir das schon nutzen? Ja. Geil. Du warst nicht ein Offensichtlich brauchst Du nicht in dem Channel, ob wir das getestet haben. Boah, müssen wir das zeigen. Ich bin sehr gespannt, was da rumkam. Ja, also bis jetzt haben wir nur ein-, zweimal rumgespielt. Ah, okay. Und An euch? Sebi hat ihn hat Sebi hat dann eben rumgespielt und hat ihn direkt mal zusammengestaucht. Oh. Ob denn okay wäre direkt so meine Reaktionszeit, weil ich's ein als Administrator der einrichten musste, ob die Reaktionszeit von 11 Stunden 45 dann in Ordnung wäre und was man grade ist nach, dort nachgerechnet, hat gesagt, na ja, seit dem Post, Eteen hat das gestern angeguckt. Und wo ich jetzt aktiviert wurde, sind 11 Stunden 45 und 20 Sekunden vergangen. Ich würde sagen, dass eine Also in unserem AI SLA steht drin, dass es in 11 Stunden 45 sein muss. Welche welche Maßnahmen siehst Du denn jetzt das Richtige, Dennis dafür ab Und dann direkt so Eintrag in die Personalakte und so. Also klar, klar, klar. Aber mit 'nem Wurdest Du abgestraft? Lustig, ne. Ja, er sagt doch, das hat er da hat den Vibe schon verstanden. Na ja, also von wegen Ah, geil. Einen Eintrag in der Personalakte machen. Warte mal, hier Und der letzte Satz war so, oder wir ändern die SLA auf 11 Stunden vom 40 und 40 Sekunden. Deine deine Entscheidung. Deine Entscheidung. Ach, schön. Und dann hat Sevi auch nur geschrieben, danke, danke, Claudia Opus, 4 Punkt 8, oder weil sie einfach so lustig in der Message mitrontern. Ja. Und darauf hat er son salotierendes Emoji. Geil, ja, da. Gute Reaktion finde. Ja, ja. Mit dem Interaktionsmodell halt in Slack dann so Ja. Macht am Ende des Tages. Ausprobieren. Einfach mal gucken. Ja, also man sollte es auf jeden Fall ausprobieren. Es war jetzt kein kein Erfahrungsbericht so, den wir jetzt her jetzt hatten. Aber wie gesagt, es ist halt wieder, ist glaube ich schon 1 der größeren Features so. Was wir jetzt gesehen haben, gerade wenn man hört, wie sie es dort intern genutzt haben, wie das so einige der offenen Fragen und Probleme, die man so teilweise noch auch hat, selbst dann mit 'ner Kommunikation und übergreifend und Wissen und so weiter schon viel davon wieder löst. Sehr smart meines Erachtens nach, dass halt in Slack irgendwie, ne, als als die Plattform, weil da die Kommunikation läuft. Also einiges, glaube ich, richtig gemacht. Bin sehr gespannt, wie das abhält und ob das gut ist und ob's gut funktioniert. Und ob wir 10000 Euro ärmer sind in 1 Woche. Ja, so viel Datum. Modell für Slack auch. Ja. Gehen die Leute, rechnen jetzt massenhaft von Teams zu Slack, weil sie dann da Crowd entwickeln können? Ich mein, wenn Du jetzt Teams nutzt, dann bist Du ja schon, hast Du ja schon aufgrund von irgendwelchen Entscheidungen und Konzerngrößen. Also, da wurde jetzt schon irgendwo im Verlauf vorher eine Fehlentscheidung getroffen, die nicht revidierbar war über die Zeit. Ja. Dann hängst Du ja sowieso fest und darfst sowieso nicht Cloud einfach so. Also, wenn wenn man Teams nutzt, dann wär der Prozess, Cloud so einzuführen mit 'nem rechte Modell, auf jeden Fall ein mehrwöchiger, dann Ich glaub, der wär auch bei vielen Slack Nutzern 'n mehrwöchiger. Das hat halt nicht jeder 'n Jolo Dennis in der Admin Konsole sitzen, der ist Ja. Aber eben Was ich mir gut finde, Tatkraft, Tatkraft. Rainer. Ja. Wunderbar. Falls ihr Tickets haben wollt für die Programmiercon Beeilt euch. Die im November 2026 stattfindet. Ja, beeilt euch. Ja, zumindest beeilt euch, wenn ihr noch Tickets haben wollt. Die laufen nämlich Ende des Monats aus. Nächste Woche. Fast 50 Prozent. Oder wir nähern uns den 50 Prozent. Nee, wir haben an Nee, stimmt, haben wir nicht Tickets. Warte mal. 50? Ein ein ein 2. Ist größer als ein Drittel. Ein Zweitel, ja. Okay. Ich glaub, mathematische Fachbegriff haben wir, ja. Wie wie sagt man das? Ein Zweitel. Und falls ihr sonst schiefback habt Ein Zweitel? Dave Felvenwolf schreibt gerne Art an. Hast Du eine eigene Programmierbarad, weißt Du denn? Wo die direkt Nee, oh. Müssen wir noch einrichten. Dave at Programmier Punkt Bar richten wir gleich einen an. Okay. Dave at Programmier Punkt Bar könnt ihr ihm bestätigen, dass es ein Zweiter heißt. Ja, ein Zweiter. Ein halb? Nee, aber das ist ein das ist anderthalb. Okay, das wären ja 150 Prozent. Hunderthundertfünfzig Prozent, ja. Na ja. Ja. Frag doch mal Cloud nachher ins Leck, wie das heißt. Ja, Ed Claude. Herr Cloud, wie hilf mir doch, wie das heißt. Vielen Dank fürs Zuhören. Schreibt uns gerne, wenn wir was anders machen sollen und Wo wohin schreiben? Dave at Programmier. Ein Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar natürlich. Und sonst habt eine schöne kühle Umgebung und bis bald, macht's gut. Bis deine, tschau tschau. 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Wir befinden uns in Kalenderwoche 26, 2026. Wir reden heute über Dino, über Juni und über 2 Updates von den Froppy, Klopp Design und Claude Tech. Ich bin Dennis Becker und heute an meiner Seite\n\nSpeaker 1: Dave Acker, Dave Krusitzky, moin was geht Und Jan\n\nSpeaker 2: Gregor im Getriebe, moin moin,\n\nSpeaker 1: live im Studio.\n\nSpeaker 0: Live im Studio.\n\nSpeaker 1: Alle 3.\n\nSpeaker 0: Alle vor Ort, Lightning Farbe, alle mit neuem Kameraset ups, falls ihr uns im Videostream seht. Jetzt mit guter Farbe. Aber wieder mit alter Audioqualität. Da hat sich ja nicht durchgesetzt das neue Mikroset-up, aber Genau. Arbeiten ja auch\n\nSpeaker 1: noch dran. Aber gewohnt hohe Qualität, das muss man sagen. Gewohnt hohe Audioqualität. Das war ja\n\nSpeaker 0: die wir sagen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh, wirklich? Ja. Oh. Haben wir Ein\n\nSpeaker 0: stetiger ein stetiger Hörer unsere eigenen News Oh. Dave von Schützen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, ich ich hör ich ich hör ja nicht die eigenen News, die ich aufnehme, so. Ist ja ja komisch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach\n\nSpeaker 1: so, ich war nicht dabei. Ach so, ja genau. Ich hör auch nicht News, die I aufnehmend. So. Das ist richtig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie geht's euch in diesen Temperatur, bei diesen Temperaturen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Wahnsinnig schnell.\n\nSpeaker 0: Seid ihr, seid ihr auch so. Du holzt wir diesen nicht so rum. Ich mein, Du beschwerst dich einmal vor, dass Du sagst, boah, ich bin komplett\n\nSpeaker 1: geschwitzt rumgelaufen, aber Ich\n\nSpeaker 0: bin trotzdem so positiv, Du das mag ich sehr.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das stimmt. Ich bin auch jetzt grade aktuell in meinem eigenen Saft. Es ist wirklich, ich safte ja alles voll. Ja. Und es ist auch wahnsinnig, also Dennis hab ich grad aufgeklärt, wir nehmen grade in einem Raum auf, das ist der Einzige, der nicht klimatisiert\n\nSpeaker 2: ist oder klar gewesen, ob's der Einzige ist dieser ganzen Firma, der keine Klimaanlage hat.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Genau. Also Licht Treppenhaus hat auch keiner.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber das hat Fenster. Wir sind also mitten im Gebäude in sonem abgeschlossenen Raum.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und man Ja, aber halt in der, deswegen ist er ja relativ kühl.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber man merkt trotzdem, wie die Luft hier steht. Also ich glaub, dass diese Nullfeuchtigkeit sind. In 80 Uhr gibt's\n\nSpeaker 0: das schon, nur keine Klimaanlage.\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist es ist trotzdem wahnsinnig feucht hier so. Aber ich ich ich glaub, es wird eine richtig geile Folge und deswegen bin ich hyped so. Das ist mir egal, wie die äußeren Umgebung ist.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wenn Dave hyped ist, bin ich auch hyped, weil das ansteckend.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und wie ist bei dir temperaturtechnisch, Jan Gregor?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich hab in der Bodywohnung geschlafen bei angenehmen 29 Grad Leuten nach Hause Julia. Julia, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist doch angenehm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja. Deine Wohnung ist klimatisiert, dein Haus ist klimatisiert, oder, Dennis?\n\nSpeaker 0: Mein Haus ist 'n Fachwerkhaus in dem Fall, der eigentlich das Gegenteil von Oh. Klimatisiert bin, eigentlich richtig heiß. Also Aber? So 33 Grad, 34 Grad, aber im Schlafzimmer machen wir eine Klimaanlage seit letzten Jahren. Okay.\n\nIch hätte, ich bräuchte sie aber tatsächlich nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: So eine mobile oder son richtiges Minisplit Gerät?\n\nSpeaker 0: Weder noch, wenn wir kurz 'n Ausflug machen wollen, eine Monoblock, eine Monoblock Klimaanlage, die aber trotzdem fest an der Wand hängt und einfach nur 2 große Löcher brauchte, 2 leicht massive Löcher. Okay. Universe bauen und ja, Nachteil relativ laut, Vorteil, gern Außengerät. Ah. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Front load value by the way.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was zählt in diesen Tagen aktuell?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Es ist wirklich schon ab langem wieder was gelernt. Aber es\n\nSpeaker 1: ist, also warte, Du hast grade gesagt, Du brauchst es nicht, das finde ich interessant. Also weil ich ich merk das so, ich ich leg mich ins Bett, es sind so 27 Grad im Schlafzimmer und ich, also ich sagte komplett alles zu, ne. Ich hab ich hab, oh, Life Hack auch Anna draußen, das ist wirklich Front not Value, Leo Zell Bettwäsche. Und von wem hast Du's? Komm.\n\nVon deinen Schlafanzügen? Ja. Ja. Es ist krass. Also es ist irgendwie so aus Bambus gemacht und Real Talk, also ich ich schlafe sonst immer im Sommer ohne irgendetwas und jetzt mach ich sogar die Decke drüber, weil halt zumindest irgendwie 'n bisschen mein Schweiß halt da reingeht und es aber halt also nicht klamm wird.\n\nAlso Baumwolle wird immer super klamm. Und es ist halt so, es ist immer superangenehm, seidig warm und 'n bisschen kühler, seidig warm ist falsch, seidig kühl so irgendwie. Es also es bringt nicht also den Megechange, aber es ist halt so, ich schlaf mit der Decke und es ist halt irgendwie okay dadurch so. Also ich öle trotzdem und ich wach wach mit nassem Nacken auf und so und meine Haare sind komplett nass, aber an sich geil.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wenn ich Weil ich jetzt sehr angestrengt wirke, ist das, weil ich die ganze Zeit drüber nachdenke, wann wir die Jugendfreigabe bei iTunes verlieren. So, sag\n\nSpeaker 1: ich nur mal, jetzt überlegt, darf ich fluchen eigentlich? Haben wir das oder dürfen wir das nicht?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich glaube, scheiße ist okay und wenn's darüber hinausgeht, müssen wir son e an die Folge machen. Aber wir hatten aber\n\nSpeaker 1: auch schon Folgen. Wahrscheinlich seid ihr nicht dabei so sagen. Die häufen sich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Explocement Folgen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, okay. Ich werd mich zurückhalten, diese Folgen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber Saften ist völlig, also das\n\nSpeaker 1: Saft ist ja voll.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja, ja. So.\n\nSpeaker 1: Jeder saftet, richtig? Wie viel Saft ihr da da zu Hause? Schreibt es so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Schreibt es ziemlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber ich muss schon sagen, ja, ich kann ich kann ganz gut mit Wärme umgehen. Klar, sagen wir's so. Ich ich schmeiß jetzt nicht in die Sonne und ich beweg mich einfach langsamer und weniger, aber ich ist auch nicht so, dass ich mich den ganzen Tag darüber beschwere und rumhute, dass jetzt, oh Gott oh Gott, oh, jetzt mal 36 grad draußen sind. Ja. Von daher, positiv nehmen das Ganze.\n\nHey. Wir haben noch 2 heiße Tage, dann wird's besser. Geil.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das bleibt ja jetzt die nächsten 2 Wochen so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach so, ich müsste das Ich hab irgendwo gelesen, es steigert sich immer so richtig bis Freitag und dann ist erst mal.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dann sind nur noch 30\n\nSpeaker 0: Start. Weniger. Aber Klimawandel gibt's ja zum Glück nicht. Eben, eben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Elon Musk ist mal nur eine geilste Welt, oder? Erzähl wieder dort.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich überlege mich, Tesla zu kaufen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber aber das andere Story. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Daniel Gregor, bring das Niveau mal 'n bisschen Findest Becker. Technisch besser.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Wir reden über Dino. Dino hatte zuletzt von sich Schlagzeilen gemacht, weil das son bisschen aussah, als wären sie auf der absteigenden Ast. Mhm. Die haben Leute entlassen, sie haben Infrastruktur zugemacht, sie haben Features wieder in Beta genommen, auf die schon alle gewartet haben, dass die mal final veröffentlicht werden.\n\nDie haben\n\nSpeaker 1: die haben ihre Codebasis auf Rust umgeschrieben. Die waren tatsächlich schon auf Rust. Alter. Also Die waren ja so weit voraus.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dino ist ja schon in Rust, ja? Da, wo Bun jetzt grade hinkommt, war die irgendwo schon lange. Von daher, vielleicht machen sie da was richtig. Ja, krass. Aber es sah letzten oder Anfang des Jahres sah es son bisschen schwierig aus dem Dino.\n\nIch bin ja großer Dino Fan. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was ist dein Lieblings Dino? Mein Lieblings Dino? Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: Es weiß ich gar nicht. Derodactynus? Das jetzt, wo Du's sagst. Darf ich den aufnehmen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Da hab ich mir bei dir gedacht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Hauptsache fliegen, ne? Hauptsache fliegen, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hauptsache fliegen, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja, okay. Dann müsste über den Gradustrus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, nee. Ist immer\n\nSpeaker 1: nur der Stand so, wie kommt der jetzt auf der Cerodakylos? Also das ist damit\n\nSpeaker 0: Nein, ich frag Quetzal Quetzal, ich komme nicht mehr. Ist der Götzi? Genau, ja. Den, also wenn's Fliegen geht, ich glaub, das war 'n guter Flugsäure.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay. Kommen wir wieder zurück zu der anderen Dinos. Ja. So, da war ja auch die Frage, fliegen\n\nSpeaker 1: die noch oder sind scharf gestürzt? Alter. Selbst wenn Du nicht die Moderation machst, hast Du krasse Übergänge in deine eigenen Niere. Ja, das ist das\n\nSpeaker 2: ist son bisschen der Doc in der Gegend.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Gut, gut. Und ich war ehrlicherweise persönlich son bisschen angespannt, weil ich halt echt gehofft hab, dass es den, dass das nicht so schlecht läuft, wie das alle reden. Und jetzt haben Sie mit dem angekündigten Dino 2 9 Release eigentlich son paar coole Features gebracht und über 1 wollt ich heute mal reden, über Dino Desktop. Und wir haben, glaub ich, das letzte Mal über was Vergleichbares gesprochen, als wir über Tauri gesprochen hatten hier. Auch wieder bei Rust.\n\nRust ist überall.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist\n\nSpeaker 1: krass her, onlypräsent. Tauri hatte sich\n\nSpeaker 2: ja so angeschickt, irgendwie eine Alternative zu Electron zu sein mit dem Unterschied, dass Du das Backend eben in in Rust schreiben kannst und nicht mehr mit JavaScript schreibst schreiben musst und dass sie quasi nicht ein komplettes Elektron, ach, ein komplettes Chrome mitschippen, sondern dein Browser aus dem Betriebssystem versehen und dementsprechend ist By mehr, weiß ich, 200 Megabyte wie bei Electron groß ist, sondern wirklich nur noch son kleines mit 'ner nativen und dann bist Du halt bei 'n paar Megabyte. So. Aber Du musst halt irgendwie dieses ganze raste großes Tape rein kurz. So, und was Dino jetzt vorhat mit Dino Desktop ist im Prinzip, diese beiden Ansätze son bisschen zu kombinieren und sagen, okay, Du kannst weiterhin dein JavaScript, type Skript Backend in Dino nutzen und musst trotzdem nicht 'n kompletten Chromium mitschicken, weil wir können dir auch quasi einen Render aus dem Betriebssystem mit dem ganz normalen Web Frame Markler eben anbieten, sodass wir son bisschen son Kompromiss haben. Da ist halt immer noch die die Dino Run Time dabei.\n\nDas ist dann nicht ganz so klein, wie es halt vielleicht mit Taurie und Rust werbe. Wir sind da so bei glaub, so 40, 50 Megabyte. Ich mein, nachgucken, da haben wir son sehr ehrlichen Vergleich angestellt, was so die Binary Größe angeht. Genau, sagen, 40 Megabyte, wenn Du halt das Betriebssystem Webview nimmst und 150, wenn Du halt 'n Chrome quasi rein einbetten willst. Aber ansonsten hast Du halt schon die Möglichkeit, deutlich kleiner zu sein als so das Durchschnitts Electron Binary und auch deutlich kleiner zu sein als Elektrobun, was ja so die von Bun der Rapper ist, Apps mit Electron irgendwie zusammenzuschütten.\n\nTauri ist immer noch kleiner, ja, aber sie wollen da in diesem Markt jetzt eben auch mal mitspielen. So, das fand ich irgendwie ganz cool, weil ihr anderes großes Alleinstellungsmerkmal ist halt, dass sie sagen, sie kriegen halt guten Framework Support mit für, für View, für Hassa irgendwie alles nicht gesehen. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dass\n\nSpeaker 2: Du halt deine Anwendung im Prinzip gar nicht groß darauf anpassen musst und einfach sagen hast, hey, ich hab hier meine meine DAX Anwendung und jetzt würde ich dir einmal den oder Desktop von oben machen. Sie erkennen das Framework. Sie entdeckten da son paar Umgebungsvariablen rein, dass es gut läuft mit dem Rapper und dann ist das angeblich auch einfach schon fertig. Okay, also wenn ich\n\nSpeaker 1: wenn ich Dino nutze sowieso schon, krieg ich das eigentlich for free Ja. Direkt, okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und wenn\n\nSpeaker 2: Du 1 von den unterstützen Trameworks benutzt, musst Du halt wirklich gar nix anpassen. Ach geil. Und ansonsten, wenn Du halt einfach nur, rein, vorzeichen normalen Dino Webserver nutzt, muss ja eigentlich viel tun.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm. So. Das fand\n\nSpeaker 2: ich, wie gesagt, ganz cool, weil das doch mal irgendwie was ganz anderes noch ist und ja auch son Markt, wo sich zuletzt mit Tauri und Elektrobund halt schon auch was getan hat. Und ich glaub, mehr Player ist da irgendwie schon mehr gut und wie immer bei Dino ist ja so der USP, wir bringen dir das ganze Tooling irgendwie mit. Das war ja schon bei der Dino Run Time alleine so. Wir bringen hier Bitool mit und Linder und unsere eigene Registing, hast Du irgendwie alles nicht gesehen. Und das ist ja auch so.\n\nAlso es ist halt irgendwie so Auto Update mit drin, dass das der Bildprozess für alle Betriebssysteme irgendwie direkt angebunden unterstützt. Du brauchst keine Plug ins für irgendwie Auto Updates. Du kannst Cross Compile direkt machen. Der einzige Unterschied zu jetzt grade Tauri zum Beispiel ist halt, dass sie jetzt noch nicht, sie sagen explizit noch nicht, dazu kommt es noch, Mobile Supporter. Also Tauri war ja damals so megacool, als sie rausgekommen ist oder als in der 2 0 rausgekommen ist, dass sie auch iOS und Android Target zu unterstützen und das geht jetzt mit Dino Desktop und deswegen heißt auch Dino Desktop und nicht, ja, kann ein Dino Mobile oder so.\n\nVielleicht kommt auch nicht nur Mobile. Ja, ich hör das hier first ey, aber wenn's rauskommt, würd das Dino Mobile heißen, weiß ich das einfach mal so. Ja, kann's irgendwie ganz gut. Ich hab ehrlicherweise jetzt noch nicht selber für was nutzen können, aber wir haben ja auch für die Programmierkunden dieses Jahr wieder ein kleines App Joy gefunden. Vielleicht kann man das da 'n bisschen\n\nSpeaker 0: Oh, servus. Und Du hast eingeleitet ein Thema mit, da ging's nicht so, dir ging's nicht so gut oder man munkelte, dir ging's nicht so gut und das ist jetzt für dich das Zeichen, da läuft alles richtig gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, man muss wahrscheinlich man muss wahrscheinlich son bisschen unterscheiden, ne? Dino ist ja am Ende auch son VC gebacktes Unternehmen, so und irgendwie müssen die halt am Ende Geld verdienen und wenn Sie jetzt sagen, Sie fahren Ihr Datenbankangebot zurück, weil man lieber für produktiveinsätze vielleicht andere Datenbanken nutzen sollte als Dino Key Value. Sie fahren ihre Infrastruktur zurück auf weniger Regionen. Das ist vielleicht auch einfach alles nur so Konsolidierung, ja. Und am Ende ist es ja bei so Projekten auch immer so, es gibt da zwar diese Firma, aber es gibt ja auch eine Open Source Bewegung hinten dran.\n\nAlso selbst wenn jetzt die Firma heute den Betrieb einstellen würde, könnte ja die Information noch weiterentwickelt werden. Von daher, wie gut es jetzt wirtschaftlich die noch steht, steht wahrscheinlich auf 'nem anderen Blatt. Mhm. Aber zumindest sieht das nicht so aus, als ob sie die Arbeit daran einstellen würden und sich irgendwie auch was ganz anderes als Covid nur an würden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich mein, grade wenn's den kommerziellen Aspekt geht, hätte das ja auch 'n ganz anderen Twist nehmen können und sie hätten sagen können, okay, wir arbeiten inhaltlich nicht mehr an Dino oder nicht mehr so stark an Dino weiter, sondern wir kümmern uns mehr das Hosting Business drumrum. Wir machen unsere Plattform größer und und bla bla bla. Und zumindest das ist jetzt offensichtlich so nicht passend.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm. Dino ist eigenständig, also wann ist hier bei Intropic? Ist Dino eigenständig oder Okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dino ist ja damals von Ryan Dahl hier in Not OS geschafft worden mit zu dem Ansatz. Mit Dino kann ich all das richtig machen, was ich bei now j s gelernt hab, sozusagen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah ja, schön.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Gleicher Ansatz, alles richtig machen, was wir am Anfang falsch gemacht haben und was gelernt habe. Was hat denn IntelliJ mit Es ist nicht es ist nicht Juni oder? Juni. Diese ganzen AI Namen da draußen.\n\nDu hast lang nicht\n\nSpeaker 1: mehr die lang nicht mehr die Moderation gemacht, ne? Ja, das merkst Du, wie\n\nSpeaker 0: gut es ist, ne?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, deswegen nein, das ist so von der hat das halt so Jahre in dir, aber das Training noch drin ist, so. Ja. So, ohne irgendwelche Hick ups so, perfekte Übergänge, so. Gute Nachfragen, ich mag das bisher.\n\nSpeaker 0: So und ohne Ironie?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich start mal mit meinem Thema. Ja. Genau. Es geht Juni, nicht wie wir gerade festgestellt haben, die heimliche Geliebte von Jan, wo es auf gar keinen Fall rauskommt darf, dass es stattfindet, richtig? Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Würde ja auch niemand im öffentlichen Podcast sein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, das wär ja echt extrem belastend, halt. Alter, shit. Es geht Juni und zwar ist das von Jetbrains, die KI Coding Agent namens Juni ist natürlich Allenbekannt. Allenbekannt, aber wirklich\n\nSpeaker 2: Also hier mal, 2 von 3 Leuten im Raum sind ja Jetrainunsure, muss man ja auch mal sagen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Repräsentativ für alle Developer da draußen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist ja, genau eben. Ist ja auch die, nee, mach den, benn IDIs.\n\nSpeaker 2: So ist es nämlich. Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Es braucht ja 'n bisschen auch, bis man in der Neuzeit reinkommt. Selber\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, das ist ja die Prozentstrafe.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau. Nee, weil sie also\n\nSpeaker 1: im Endeffekt also schon durchaus vergleichbar mit Codex oder der Cloud App halt einfach, ne. Also ist dafür da, Code zu planen, zu debuggen, Codes implementieren, zu Reviewen, also alles drum und dran. Und das ist nämlich, also die Neuigkeit, wir haben euch vor 10 Monaten oder so schon, also ist bisschen her, haben wir über Juni schon geredet. Jetzt ist es so, JetBracks hat gesagt, hey, wir sind superhappy, wie alles läuft. Alles ist stabil, alles Label.\n\nEs ist bereit für die echte Welt und kommen jetzt aus der Betaphase raus und ist dann jetzt für alle zugänglich. Und da wollt ich noch mal hier an der Stelle 'n paar coole Features hervorheben, die da mit reinkommen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist die News jetzt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das das ist die News jetzt. Von Beta zu\n\nSpeaker 2: echt nicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nicht schlecht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na, wissen, aber der, weil Du jetzt Vielleicht würdest Du sagen, krass. Okay. So, jetzt bist Du 'n bisschen haily.\n\nSpeaker 2: Da konnt ich doch gleich ein Feature, warum ich das besonders hart feier. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Raus.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also das 1., was halt irgendwie cool ist, find ich, ist Agentic Debugging. Probleme, die man so noch normalerweise hat, ne, wenn Du jetzt auch so Klo, Ziel, Ei benutzt, dann ist es natürlich Chlo hat sieht da irgendwelche Error Nachrichten, irgendwelche arbeitet mit irgendwelchen Prints und sagt, ah okay, da ist jetzt irgendwie der Fehler. Also gleich korrigier das so. Und weil natürlich June jetzt in deiner Jet Brains IDI lebt, kann es halt wirklich halt sehen so, hey, okay, hier ist, ich krieg diese Fehler nachher wirklich oder kann halt dann auch so Breakpoints setzen und dann halt die dann wirklich abfangen in der Situation und dann besser debuggen. Oder Du kannst sagen, hey, ich hab hier 'n UI Fehler, so, wenn ich den Button drücke, dann passiert das und das gar nicht.\n\nUnd Juni setzt dann selbst die Breakpoints in der IDI. Sagt dann okay, hey, wenn Du ready bist, führ das mal aus und guck dann, was passiert dann im Codes? Also son bisschen mehr mehr advanceder ist schon irgendwie sehr, sehr cool. Und es also verlässt dir noch echte Fehlermeldung, anstatt halt irgendwie bitte mit Logs zu arbeiten, was halt sehr, sehr cool ist. Und eine Sache, die ich megacool finde und mit close bisher auch sehr viel genutzt habe, ist wie man dieser Planning Mode.\n\nNatürlich grade, ich glaub jetzt\n\nSpeaker 2: Jetzt kommen wir da jetzt kommen wir.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Auch sehr gerne ansprechen. Was natürlich megacool ist, ne, wenn man da 'n größeres Feature irgendwie plant, sich dann sagt, hey, okay, bevor Du jetzt diese Riesenänderung machst, strukturierst mal den Plan, versteht den Code. Wie würdest Du's machen und gib mir dann irgendwie so die einzelnen Schritte an, ne. Dann ist also häufig natürlich das schon einige Sachen, die der Klub meistens macht, sagt er, hey guck mal, da sind hier diese 12 Schritte.\n\nIch würd zuerst das machen, dann das und das. Und dann kannst Du sagen, ja, okay. Ja, okay. Und mach unoMoont an und nein und sag mir, was ich anders machen soll, so, ne. Und einige haben wir so, so, na ja, eigentlich ist das fast richtig, aber hier bei Schritt 5 würd ich nur das 'n bisschen ändern wollen, bei Schritt 7 das und Schritt 9 hier da und so diesen kleinen Week.\n\nUnd das finde ich, ist 'n bisschen inkonveniert. Es geht nicht so einfach. Und was das Coole jetzt an Juni ist, die erstellt halt einfach ein Dokument. Weiß ich nicht, vom Namen her auch schon das weiblich, sage Juni. Ich sag mal Juni.\n\nDas ist eine weiblich AI. Ja. Ist ziemlich gut. Und ich fand, Juni erstellt 'n Dokument so quasi wie son quasi Feature Anforderungsdokument. Und Du kannst dann halt auch dann wirklich bearbeiten und dann halt dann Punkte dann halt sagen so, hey, das ist nicht richtig, mach das mal weg.\n\nSelbst editieren, bearbeiten und sagen, okay, jetzt ist der Plan für mich perfekt. Schieß mal los. So. Und das ist kleine convenience, aber ich find, das ist schon etwas, was mir relativ häufig so entgegenkommen, wo ich dachte, ah, das find ich grad angenehm gut gelöst in der Closeziel, ey.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und das war ja immer mein Hype Feature, warum ich Googles Integrvity so cool fand, weil sie auch so diesen Plan als First Class Citizen in der IDE sozusagen drin hatten. Bis jetzt mit der neuen Anti Gravity Version, der genau das gemacht haben, was Du bei Jetpran so feierst, nämlich die IDE quasi entfernt haben. So. Heißt es quasi immer noch in diesem Plan rumschreiben, aber es gibt halt überhaupt keinen IDE Teil mehr, Code irgendwie zwischendrin anzugucken oder so. Ja.\n\nUnd deshalb bin ich da auch wieder wegfahren. Ja. Aber so, dass das Jetbeins jetzt machen. Genau, genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das ist also vielleicht ist das aber sogar was Allgemeines so irgendwie, was ich aktuell in meinem Workflow noch gut finde und vielleicht auch alle Zuhörerinnen da draußen. Irgendwie, ich hab ich hab ja auch die App benutzt. Ich hab auch Codex App benutzt. Und ich fand immer, das war nicht so ganz, weil ich auch noch beschrieben hab, hey, ich möchte das haben. Das Ergebnis irgendwie fertig und ich dann mir die Diffs anschauen.\n\nIrgendwie hab ich so, ja, aber ich würd dir jetzt gerne von der Stelle, die Du jetzt angefasst hast, noch mal weiter reinspringen in den Code und gucken, was ist da und da an der Stelle? Ist das noch insgesamt funktional so? Und deswegen bin ich dann doch immer so, okay, ich hab's machen lassen und hab dann in meiner IDI den PR ausgecheckt und hab dann noch mal dort geguckt. Und irgendwie denk mir, wär das alles in meiner IDI Stadtzettel, find ich schon irgendwie geil und ich, also wenn's jemandem so ähnlich geht da draußen, ich wär's auf jeden Fall erst mal Viel\n\nSpeaker 2: you, Dave, weil ich mein, Dennis lacht schon, aber hier.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nein, nein,\n\nSpeaker 1: nein, nein. Nein, nein, nein. Also ich bin schon schon 'n aller gute Monate.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber komm, also ganz ernsthaft, Dennis nutzt ja der Kontakter und immer, wenn wir da an der Webseite sitzen und das gerade irgendwie nicht so gut funktioniert, gucken wir da ja auch mal in den Code rein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wenn Du dabei bist, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: 1 muss ja. 1 muss ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, ist richtig. Noch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich mach mich, genau, also erstens noch und zweitens ist das natürlich 'n bisschen gespielt, dass dass sich darüber\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Aber es ist Ich\n\nSpeaker 0: hab ich hab grundsätzlich ja, ich hab grundsätzlich natürlich nichts gegen Intellij und ich hab auch nichts gegen Juni.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nichts, was funktioniert zumindest.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ich weiß das, also ich kann das gut verstehen mit dem Planet. Wir hatten viele interne Diskussionen zu dem Thema. Gab ja auch externe Tools. Ich hab grade nicht so auf\n\nSpeaker 2: die Planentator ist das, was Du auch das Ja, Du hattest ja auch immer noch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, die das diese das 'n bisschen überbrückt haben so, weil das ist, was vielen fehlt hat, dass man einfach diesen Plan reintippen kann Ja. Sozusagen oder reinsprechen natürlich.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja. Doktor Flow. Ja. Genau.\n\nVielleicht 2 Sachen, die noch mal so am Rande Erwähnungswert sind. Es gibt natürlich auch 'n Remote Control mit Handy.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nein. Das ist\n\nSpeaker 1: also eigentlich eher Standard natürlich heutzutage, aber ist cool, dass sie jetzt auch mit dabei ist. Und wie\n\nSpeaker 2: heißt dieses Featurmodus?\n\nSpeaker 1: Klo Modus. Klo Modus. Aber es ist halt, Klomodus ist halt mit Klod besser, weil das halt da drin ist so irgendwie schon. Ding, also das ist bloß irgendwie Juni. Muss man noch mal binden.\n\nJa. Und was natürlich auch cool ist, es ist alles LLM agnostisch so, ne? Also deswegen, was man was halt irgendwie son bisschen auch so der Workflow vielleicht sein könnte. Also wie heißt es, man dann halt im im Planning sagt man, hey, okay, ich nehm irgendwie Faible 5 und so mit ganz hohem F-Fort und der macht mir den Plan und dann halt den Code dann am Ende auszuführen, kann ich irgend 'n billigeres Modell nehmen und dann halt da an der Stelle irgendwie Kosten und auch Zeit sparen, ne, weil das halt nicht so lang rumwuddeln muss. Ist halt halt irgendwie cool, natürlich diese Flexibilität zu haben, anstatt halt an irgendein bestimmtes Modell gebunden zu sein.\n\nJa.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie ist das kostmäßig?\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das ist interessant, denn Chatbrains Gut, dass Du fragst möchtest. Hat natürlich ihr Pricing Modell angepasst und da kann euch Jan wahrscheinlich mehr so sagen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Danke, ich hab echt nicht mehr nachgeguckt. Ich hab nur eine Nummer eine Sendung gesagt und das Thema anguckt, schau noch mal ins Pricing rein. Also die E-Mail, die ich, glaub ich, gestern oder vorgestern bekommen hab und bei uns auch einmal ganz kurz geteilt, war, dass Sie umstellen von diesem Seed based Pricing auf son Teampool an AI Tokens. Das heißt, wenn Ah. Bei uns jetzt quasi Dave und ich nutzen beide Jet Trends AI im Abo.\n\nMhm. Und im Prinzip ziehen wir jetzt beide aus demselben AI Pool Tokens raus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Klar, aber das ist schon so gebridges, also Du kannst jetzt OPOS nutzen und Jet Trains rechnet das ab intern.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, genau. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir haben halt pro LLM quasi sonen anderen fiktiven Kosten\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm,\n\nSpeaker 0: Tonfaktor, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber wie kannst Du, ich glaub, GitHub machst Du ja auch son Copilot mittlerweile, dass Du ja alles da irgendwie auswählen kannst an LLM und die das dann unterschiedlich berechnen, aber ja. Ich glaub, da sie haben das son bisschen Kritiker*innen\n\nSpeaker 0: würden jetzt natürlich sagen aufzubauen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Dass Was sagen die Hader?\n\nSpeaker 0: Na ja, dass sone Harness ja auch irgendwie zur Seite zum Modell passen muss, ne, also dass Du noch größere Vorteile hast, wenn Ach so, ja. Die Harness außen rum speziell gestaltet wurde für das passende LM.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wie heißt es, wie heißt's noch mal? Es ist bei Japrance ist das Melum? Melum?\n\nSpeaker 2: Melum war ja das, ne? Dieses kleinere Modell, was ja auch für so Code Compleetion und kleinere Snippets und so was sofort hatten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Glaub ich, da und Juni auch verwendet oder Melum 2 jetzt mittlerweile irgendwie so was.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber es gibt ja so Open Code oder so, die ja von Anfang an auch gesagt haben, so, wir bauen hier dieses Harness und Du kannst irgendwie ein Model mitbringen, was Du willst. Und das hat ja auch viele Freunde hier auch bei uns.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, genau. Also ich ich hab ja von den Kritikern da draußen\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also nein. Nee, meine Meinung, hör. Aber ich hab mal gehört, Leute sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nein, ich glaube, es ist auch es ist auch unterschiedlich, wie stark das ist. Also ich glaube bei Anti Gravity beziehungsweise Germany war es relativ stark, weil Germany ja ein Modell, das 'n bisschen anders gepromptet werden muss im Bereich von Coding und man jetzt einfach nur es gleich prompted, wie irgendwie man crowd prompent wurde, das 'n bisschen schwierig ist und da hat natürlich dann dieses ganze Anti Gravity, CLI und HANES irgendwo sehr speziell darauf eingezahlt. Ich glaube, da hat man's stark gemerkt und dann gibt's andere, wo das natürlich nicht so\n\nSpeaker 2: Vielleicht wird es auch in Zukunft son bisschen anders, ne. Also es ist ja bei vielen einfach so, dass wenn Du das LLDM austauscht, Du im Prinzip nur son API Endpunkt wechselst und vielleicht muss einfach das noch wie son Adapter im Prinzip mitbringen, der halt vielleicht einen Prompt noch son bisschen anpasst, der son bisschen mehr System Prompting und Kontext vielleicht noch mitgibt, halt wirklich aus jedem potenziellen Modell noch so das Maximum p p rauszukratzen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber auf jeden Fall, also spannend, ich werd's auf jeden Fall benutzen. Haben wir dafür noch Lizenzen denn das? Jetbraines und AI und so was, könnt ihr da auch mitnutzen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja. Ja. Weil hast Du dieses Ultimate alles drin Paket? Ja, ja, dann. Da ist\n\nSpeaker 1: es drin. Geil. Wenn Du mehr\n\nSpeaker 2: brauchst, musst Du son VR Abo einfach.\n\nSpeaker 0: Kostet ja auch nur 'n paar 1000 für sone IDE im Jahr, statt schönen Kostennot. Egal. Gut.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm. Kontroverses Thema intern.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Kommen wir zum nächsten\n\nSpeaker 1: Geilen Thema.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, Thema. Übergang.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich dachte Dennis Nee,\n\nSpeaker 0: ich versuche jetzt, ich will natürlich jetzt nicht irgendwie, dass ich jetzt der große Cloud Fan wäre oder Antropic Fan oder anderes. Ich versuche jetzt möglichst kritisch das nächste Thema zu beachten. Nein, also Antropic hat einiges auch wieder released. Die sind also so viel dabei rauszubringen und auf 2 Dinge möchte ich heute noch mal kurz eingehen. Das 1.\n\nIst, es gibt ein Update Cloud Design. Wir haben schon über Cloud Design gesprochen, ist eine Tooling von Cloud, wo man eben Designs erstellen lassen kann. Und bis jetzt, so war die Version Aber ich glaube auch, dass das sich aus sonem Beta Ding irgendwie raus ist. Irgend irgendjemand hat sich dieser\n\nSpeaker 1: Oh. Ja. Geändert. Und das ist die News? Nein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Es hat sich auch einiges anderes geändert.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das Pricing Modell. Das\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, Pricing, ja, können wir kurz darauf eingehen, denn tatsächlich, Claude Design hat vorher unfassbar viele Tokens verbrannt und hatte auch irgendwie so noch sonen eigenen Pool. Das war 'n bisschen limitierend irgendwie, weil man 20 Minuten Claude Design genutzt hat und dann war alles aufgebaut. Mhm. Das haben sie zum einen optimiert intern, das heißt, es einfach nicht mehr so token hungrig ist und es speist sich jetzt aus dem gleichen, was auch immer, Pool, den Du hast mit Co Work und Cloud Code und so weiter. Mhm.\n\nPraktisch in einem ganzen Enthrobic Pool da. Und ich glaube aber, was noch deutlich spannender geworden ist, ich hab mich damals relativ kritisch, glaube ich, geäußert, als ich das mal initial getestet hab, weil so diese Konsistenz im Design irgendwie immer noch 'n bisschen was anderes ist für mich als im Code. Weißt Du, wenn jetzt eine Codezeile 'n bisschen anders geschrieben ist, dann ist die funktional irgendwie noch die gleiche und es ist ja nicht zu schlimm und das Ergebnis passt irgendwie. Und im Design ist es aber halt 'n Unterschied, ob LinkedIn 5 Pixel sind oder 10 Pixel oder ob das der Radi Connor Radios, der identisch ist oder so. Und es ist einfach immer noch 'n gewisser Freiraum so gewesen und Du hast bis jetzt auch Cloud Design so bedient, hey, ich will irgendwie, ne, dieses Design machen und hier ist eine Vorlage, keine Ahnung was und dann hat er halt daraus irgendwie son\n\nSpeaker 1: Set gemacht. Und was jetzt viel viel stärker geworden ist\n\nSpeaker 0: und ein weiterer Move natürlich ist von Anthropic gerade in diese Business Use Cases reinzugehen, dass man Design Systeme hat, die halt eine Brand wiedergeben und die viel viel konsistenter geworden sind. Das heißt, wir haben wahnsinnig viele ja Kategorien, so sieht was aus, so sehen Komponenten aus letztendlich und das neu erstellte Design wird da hingegen abgeglichen und dann noch mal angepasst, was einfach heißt,\n\nSpeaker 1: es ist\n\nSpeaker 0: jetzt nicht 'n Button, der dann irgendwie noch mal 'n leichten andere Farbe hat oder Ja. 'n anderen oder so, sondern es wird einfach viel, viel stärker darauf geachtet, dass diese Konsistenz Konsistenz zum zum eigentlichen Brand Design bestehen bleiben. Ja. Und das ist natürlich, ja, hilfreich und megacool. Ich hab's mal kurz angetestet und mir so 1, 2 Slides für eine Präsentation generieren lassen.\n\nDas sah schon sehr nach Lotum aus, also vorher Geil. Als Lotum Webseite und so Ja. Was generieren lassen. Also scheint da tatsächlich auch Fortschritte zu machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, wie\n\nSpeaker 2: hat das bei dir gedauert? Welche Pfad? Dieses Slides.\n\nSpeaker 0: Die Slides generieren? Das war nicht lang, das war nicht eine Minute oder so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich hab es nämlich auch, als es rauskam, getestet, für die programmierbaren Designsystemen bauen zu lassen\n\nSpeaker 0: Und\n\nSpeaker 2: ich hab's aber, weil das das gab so einen Tag Schnittmenge, das ist rausgekommen und Fable war grade noch verfügbar. So hab ich das natürlich dann gedacht, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Fable macht das jetzt. Fable macht das jetzt. Fable.\n\nSpeaker 2: Fable rockt schon. Ja. Das hat unglaublich lange gedauert. Also das hat natürlich auch den ganzen Code und die Live Webseite und son paar Figmafiles, die ich dir mitgegeben hab, die wir noch vom Design haben,\n\nSpeaker 0: ist\n\nSpeaker 2: alles durchgegangen. Aber ich glaub, da ist da 2 Stunden oder so was so rumgerüttelt, das Bowy. Zusammenzubauen. Und war's dann gut? Ja, also ich muss auch sagen, ich hab dir ja gestern schon son kleinen\n\nSpeaker 1: gezeigt. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist da rausgekommen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und das ist\n\nSpeaker 2: schon auch ganz cool. Ich muss sagen, ich bin immer noch kein Cloud Design Power User. So also ich fand's son bisschen brüchig vom Flow, ich hab jetzt hier 'n Designsystem, wie krieg ich das jetzt zu Cloud Code, dass er mir darauf aufbauend jetzt tatsächlich auch 'n Feature baut? So in Cloud Design das weiter zu entwickeln und darauf zu iterieren und hier was zu ändern und das ist alles cool. Ja.\n\nAber danach ist gefühlt son Continuity Gap, wo ich dann Warte, wirklich?\n\nSpeaker 0: Kannst oben rechts, glaub ich, auf Copy to Cloud Code klicken und dann kriegst Du son Link, den Cloud Code lesen kann.\n\nSpeaker 1: Weil, also das ist doch, also der Use Case. Also ich\n\nSpeaker 0: hätt's jetzt\n\nSpeaker 2: Das darf\n\nSpeaker 1: das darf ich nämlich auch. Weil weil sonst irgendwie, wofür willst Du das erstellen, hä?\n\nSpeaker 2: So, ich hab jetzt hier son son Design File und dann kann ich das editen und dann kann ich's tweaken, ich kann's sharen an euch, ich kann Drücken auf\n\nSpeaker 0: Share und ob dann Cloud Code als Auswahl kommt?\n\nSpeaker 2: No, da kann ich nur E-Mail-Adressen, das\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ich hab's auf jeden Fall schon genutzt, Feature, dass ich mit 'nem Link praktisch\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah hier, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Da haben wir's doch. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und was was kriegt Cloud Code dann?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich glaube tatsächlich nur 'n Link und wenn das aber halt freigegeben ist, in dem was aus der Organisation oder wie auch immer, holt er sich dann automatisch die Infos.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Das muss ich mal probieren, wenn ich das dann umsetzt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Ja, und ganz frisch aus aus den News ist noch Clay Tag. Pusabier, TAGTAG und zwar, weil Du's taggen sollst, das ganze Ding. Und ich glaube Mit\n\nSpeaker 2: dem Namingskeeper ist, glaube ich, auch Cloud, ist da selber drauf gekommen. Hab ich gedacht, das ist, das ist krass, das müssen wir so nennen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Verstanden oder noch mal? Guck's 'n bisschen unglaublich. Ich wünsch dir\n\nSpeaker 1: mal, was jetzt kommt. Nein, nein, das ist Hype, das ist mein Hype Weg.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, dann Ja, ja,\n\nSpeaker 1: das ist so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich glaube tatsächlich, das ist größer, als man denkt aktuell. Ich find's megaspannend. Ich bin sehr gespannt darauf, wie's funktionieren darauf, wie's funktionieren wird. Was ist es grundsätzlich erst mal\n\nSpeaker 1: Okay, genau, ich wollt sagen Halb\n\nSpeaker 2: halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb halb. Was ist\n\nSpeaker 0: grundsätzlich erst mal, Du packst clayd in Slack. Und jetzt\n\nSpeaker 1: denkst Du, oh, das ist ja gar diese Neues. Das gab's ja vorher schon. Wollte ich ja vorher schon fragen. Das ist, ich hab ich hab nur kurz kurzer Ausflug. Ich hab ein eine Sache bei Slack gespeichert, weil wir hatten doch irgendwie, Claude hat so vor Jahren mal eingebaut, weißt Du noch?\n\nUnd dann und dann hast Du immer so angefangen gestellt und halt Claude immer dieselben Antwort und geh so, tut mir leid, ich kann das nicht beantworten. Ich bin Claude, ein da. Das war's als. Und ich hab mich so gepisst vor Lachen bei diesem Spread. Das ist immer eigentlich mehr, wenn ich mal so lachen möchte, das ist irgendwie dieses Spread an.\n\nAlso es hat alles so weit. Vor also vor 2 Jahren, vor 3 Jahren?\n\nSpeaker 0: Vor langer Zeit, ja genau. Aber das diese Integration ist jetzt neu. Und zwar und zwar Neu gemacht. Neu gemacht. Und zwar, wie Du's dir vorstellen kannst, Claude wird ein tatsächlicher Mitarbeiter innerhalb deines Slack Workspaces,\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was auch das ganze Berichtigungsmodell dahinter angeht, was es ja durchändert und so ist es so. Bis jetzt ist ja, wenn Du irgendwie mit Clautend agiert hast, ist es immer aus deiner Perspektive, aus deiner, ne, ich persönlich Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay, ganz kurze dumme Frage, wenn Du sagst, er wird Mitarbeiter, heißt es, er hat, also musstest Du ihm quasi son Slack Account machen oder ist er slack mäßig immer noch 'n Bot eigentlich? Slack mäßig ist er noch 'n Bot,\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Aber er ist tatsächlich auf jetzt, also weil wir Google Workspace nutzen. Er ist ein Google Nutzer geworden Mhm. Und der der hat kriegt auch jetzt 'n Account bei Linear bei GitHub nicht zwangsweise, weil Du's da einfach verbinden kannst auch über das Google Konto, aber genau, also kriegt dann überall eigene Accounts zurück. Mhm.\n\nUnd darüber kannst Du halt dann auch noch mal die die rechte Management machen, ne? Weil's natürlich eine andere Ebene ist, jetzt auch einmal, wenn nicht mehr Du alleine damit interagierst, sondern wenn's viel zu sein. Und das ist ja auch, glaub ich, der große Knackpunkt, warum's anders und cool ist. Es ist nicht mehr der Singleplayer, ich interagiere mit meiner AI und klick eine Antwort und bilde mir drin, sondern ich kann als Team mit Cloud zusammenarbeiten. Ich kann alles Also erstens, es ist erst mal so, der Kontext davon ist irgendwie erst mal der Slack Thread, den er hat und er baut sich auch aus dem eine Memory zusammen.\n\nVielleicht alles, was da so passiert, wird irgendwo auch im Hintergrund gespeichert. Dann ist es so, dass Du mit GitHub und Linear und Cloud Code im Hintergrund und so was einfach Tasks starten kannst. Das heißt, Du kannst sagen, hey, hier ist der Linear Task, da kommen unsere Band oder natürlich auch den erstellen aus der Diskussion ist das entstanden.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und dann nutzt Du quasi Cloud Code\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau und dann nutzt Du's Code in der Cloud\n\nSpeaker 2: und macht was damit.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das Ganze zu machen, die ganzen Antworten zu schicken. Du kannst aber dann halt parallel einfach in dem Thread, wo dann Cloud angefangen hat, irgendwas zu machen, kann ein anderer darauf zugreifen. Kann sagen, hey, ich find das aber eine blöde End. Ah, je. Lass mal bitte so machen.\n\nUnd damit gleichzeitig halt grob beeinflussen und das eben mit mehrere Nutzer.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ist immer gut, weil man sich über die Implementierung streitet, während der 3. Karte. Ganz genau,\n\nSpeaker 1: genau, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wenn es dann Und ja, dann ist er auch proaktiv tatsächlich. Also ist jetzt nicht nur, dass er auf Sachen antwortet, sondern es kann auch sein, dass irgendwie, wenn irgendwas passiert ist oder keine Ahnung, was er dann kommt und sagt, hey, guckt euch mal dieses Issue an oder ne, sollten wir das noch machen, also ist auch eine gewisse Proaktivität.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach, das hat das hat die allen vorher immer.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, es ist tatsächlich son bisschen wie, ja, wie heißt die Mama?\n\nSpeaker 2: Das hatten wir vorhin aber noch nicht, ne. Das war immer nur bei uns in dem Test Flagchen, wo wir's hatten, haben wir\n\nSpeaker 0: den so Okay. Auf das, was wir gemacht haben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ich fand's gut, dass er direkt so unseren Vibe mitbekommen hat und die Antworten auch nur so halbernst gemeint irgendwie waren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das stimmt. Ja, ganz großer Nachteil, großer Nachteil, es ist tokenbasiert abgerechnet. Das heißt, es gibt nicht mehr über die Abos, sondern das ist einfach organisationstechnisch dann einfach Token. Das heißt Das heißt,\n\nSpeaker 2: eine IDI bestimmt viel\n\nSpeaker 1: billiger. Wieso?\n\nSpeaker 0: Na, wenn Du jetzt 'n Codingcast darüber machst, dann sind's halt echte Token. Von daher wird's erst mal richtig teuer.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sie schenken einem 2000 Euro antocken jetzt erst mal initial, es 'n bisschen ausprobieren zu können. Und Sie selbst sagen aber, dass 75 Prozent der Interaktion mit Claw, die Sie intern bei Anthropic haben, seit, also Sie nutzen sowohl schon mehrere Monate, ausschließlich darüber laufen. 65 Prozent. Fünfsiebziger Dinge.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber was ist denn jetzt so als Firma oder Erwartungshaltung da dran? Weil wenn ich jetzt die Wahl hab, schon eher jeder kann sein Eigenem schauen nutzen und es kostet nichts oder nicht mehr als das laufende Abo oder alle arbeiten da mit ihm zusammen und das wird ja auf einen Schritt, also es wird ja exponentiell teurer. Wenn man manchmal so bei Cloud Juxent schreien, dann hast Du sone einzelne Featureentwicklung, was da bist Du ja schon mal ganz schnell bei, ich sag mal zweistelligen Brotherbuching im Feature, ja? Wenn ich mir jetzt überlegt, wie würden die ganze Workload, die wir so in den, ich sag mal, lokalen Cloud haben, in diesen Cloud Tech schieben,\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Sind ja tausende Euro im Monat.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich kann jetzt kurz.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, wir können weiter machen. Hier sind noch Fehlermeldung, reverside aufgetoppt, aber sieht gern gut aus. Ja, ich kann\n\nSpeaker 1: Das ist richtig. Ich kann dir sogar 'n reales Beispiel nehmen. Also im Endeffekt ist es, glaub ich, einfach 'n Abwägen der Kosten so. Aber wir hatten nämlich eine ähnliche Diskussion, deswegen find ich eigentlich sehr cool, dass es jetzt möglich ist. Und zwar, wir nutzen ja Linear für das Tracking unserer Issues und grade halt so, oft wissen wir, also jeder ist an seinem Projekt dran und man weiß eigentlich, woran man isst, ne, aber manchmal kommen ja so Sachen rein wie Bugs, wie irgendwelche Textsachen, die ja dann auch irgendwann anfallen.\n\nSo. Und da haben wir uns gesagt so, hey, in Linear kann's auch so den Linear Agent antaggen, ne, hat irgend 'n Problem oder halt auch Kodex. Problem bei Kodex ist dann, wenn ich's, also ich ich schreib mir das Issue, wenn ich sag, Kodex macht das, nehmt ihr halt mein Kodex, also das wird mit, was mit meinem Account verbunden ist, so. Das heißt, ich mach da irgendwas und jemand anderes kann darauf zugreifen. Das heißt, ich lass jetzt meinen Kodex Agent abarbeiten so und bin dann aber dann am Ende doch dafür verantwortlich.\n\nDeswegen eigentlich schon cool, dass man so was Neutrales ist. Und ich geborene dir recht, also die Kosten waren schon immens damals. Ich glaub, als wir das mit dem Lineal ausprobiert haben, ich weiß nicht genau, es war was recht Triviales, so, waren dann 15 Dollar oder so am Ende, ne. Wo ich denk, boah, okay, es ist schon mal 'n bisschen einiges, ne. Aber also die andere Realität an der Stelle wär ja, irgendjemand von uns hätte sich da drangesetzt, hätte sich irgendwie in dieses Ding eingelesen, hätte das mit seinem lokalen Agent irgendwie noch mal alles beschrieben, so Pipapo.\n\nUnd unsere Zeit wär dafür draufgegangen und wir hätten jetzt nicht aktiv an 'nem Feature entwickeln können. Und das ist dann so Nee. Muss unsere Zeit dann an der Stelle besser aufgehoben, wenn das grad so kleine Nervsachen sind, wie irgendwelche Bugs so, ne, irgendwie Support sagt, hey, guck mal, hier ist der Case. Und dann sagst Du, ey at Claude, Claude Tech, ist da was dran? Kannst Du's mal untersuchen so?\n\nUnd man muss sich damit nicht irgendwie erst mal auseinandersetzen. Ist es ja eigentlich dann am Ende nur eine Frage vom Abwägen der Kosten einfach so?\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ist das nicht 'n bisschen zu sehr vereinfacht? Also Ja. Es es kostet dich ja jetzt Genau. Dafür sind wir\n\nSpeaker 1: 'n Podcast sind wir.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber also ich mein, das kostet dich ja auch jetzt nicht unendlich viel Zeit bei deinem lokalen Cloud zu sagen, hier ist 'n linear Issu, guck dir das an und ihr und ihr wart euch ihr das mal gegebenenfalls machen, keine Ahnung was. Das ist einmal prompt und dann läuft er da vielleicht eine halbe Stunde dran.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also kurzfristig, ich bin bei dir. Ich glaube, kurzfristig muss man's wirklich erst mal abwägen und dann gucken, nimmt man für jetzt große Coding Tasks, wo man weiß, ne, das ist und ist auch erst mal egal, ob da jetzt andere drauf gucken, ich mach den ersten Wurf davon oder so was, dass man sowas vielleicht weiterhin einfach in seinem lokalen Environment laufen lässt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, da bin ich so weit.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber Ja,\n\nSpeaker 2: genau. Das mein ich, aber da da das muss ich, glaube ich, so etablieren,\n\nSpeaker 0: was uns das passieren macht Genau, das macht so eine\n\nSpeaker 2: Gruppe. So\n\nSpeaker 0: was, ja. Aber halt gerade diese, ja, dieses Knowledge hinweg über ne über mehrere Dinge in der Zusammenarbeit oder so, stelle ich mir sehr mächtig vor. Es sind ja Teile auch ne, wie man also auf anderen Wegen versuchen wir ja ähnlich irgendwie auch jetzt schon was zu machen. Ein ein Team hat jetzt so eine Obsidian Volt. Oder Volt heißt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hab\n\nSpeaker 2: auch nur die\n\nSpeaker 0: Closure? Nein. Eingerichtet, wo es ja auch dann in eine ähnliche Richtung geht. Vielleicht noch 'n bisschen, ne, intensiver dann, weil da noch mehr drin liegen kann, aber wo es auch eben die Zusammenarbeit geht, dass alle auf dem gleichen Stand sind. Mhm.\n\nWenn Agents an was gearbeitet haben, das ganze Ding wieder updaten können. Und dann ist es eigentlich ganz cool, wenn es eigentlich eine Instanz dieses Agents ist, der halt trotzdem da lebt und halt ne diesen Kontext hat, so. Und ja, also von daher, es war entspannend, so, falls tatsächlich für 'n Rechtungsmodell irgendwie so vom Gedanken da auch noch mal anders ist, ne, dass es halt so mehr noch eine eigene Instanz ist, die dann auch mehr noch von sich selbst irgendwie und nicht nur eine Hilfe für die Einzelperson, sondern die da irgendwo lebt. Ja, ich bin gespannt,\n\nSpeaker 1: wie's der Weg geht. Können wir das schon nutzen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Geil. Du warst nicht ein Offensichtlich brauchst Du nicht\n\nSpeaker 1: in dem Channel, ob wir das getestet haben. Boah, müssen wir das zeigen. Ich bin sehr gespannt, was da rumkam. Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: also bis jetzt haben wir nur ein-, zweimal rumgespielt. Ah, okay.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und An euch? Sebi hat ihn hat Sebi hat dann eben rumgespielt und hat ihn direkt mal zusammengestaucht. Oh. Ob denn okay wäre direkt so meine Reaktionszeit,\n\nSpeaker 0: weil ich's ein als Administrator der einrichten musste, ob die Reaktionszeit von 11 Stunden 45 dann in Ordnung wäre und was man grade ist nach, dort nachgerechnet, hat gesagt, na ja, seit dem Post, Eteen hat das gestern angeguckt. Und wo ich jetzt aktiviert wurde, sind 11 Stunden 45 und 20 Sekunden vergangen. Ich würde sagen, dass eine Also in unserem AI SLA steht drin, dass es in 11 Stunden 45 sein muss. Welche welche Maßnahmen siehst Du denn jetzt das Richtige, Dennis dafür ab\n\nSpeaker 2: Und dann direkt so Eintrag in die Personalakte und so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also klar, klar, klar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber mit 'nem\n\nSpeaker 1: Wurdest Du abgestraft? Lustig, ne.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, er sagt doch, das hat er da hat den Vibe schon verstanden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, also von wegen\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah, geil.\n\nSpeaker 0: Einen Eintrag in der Personalakte machen. Warte mal, hier\n\nSpeaker 2: Und der letzte Satz war so, oder wir ändern die SLA auf 11 Stunden vom 40 und 40 Sekunden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Deine deine Entscheidung. Deine Entscheidung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach, schön. Und dann hat Sevi auch nur geschrieben, danke, danke, Claudia Opus, 4 Punkt 8, oder weil sie einfach so lustig in der Message mitrontern. Ja. Und darauf hat er son salotierendes Emoji. Geil, ja, da.\n\nGute Reaktion finde. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mit dem Interaktionsmodell halt in Slack dann so Ja. Macht am Ende des Tages.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ausprobieren. Einfach mal gucken.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, also man sollte es auf jeden Fall ausprobieren. Es war jetzt kein kein Erfahrungsbericht so, den wir jetzt her jetzt hatten. Aber wie gesagt, es ist halt wieder, ist glaube ich schon 1 der größeren Features so. Was wir jetzt gesehen haben, gerade wenn man hört, wie sie es dort intern genutzt haben, wie das so einige der offenen Fragen und Probleme, die man so teilweise noch auch hat, selbst dann mit 'ner Kommunikation und übergreifend und Wissen und so weiter schon viel davon wieder löst. Sehr smart meines Erachtens nach, dass halt in Slack irgendwie, ne, als als die Plattform, weil da die Kommunikation läuft.\n\nAlso einiges, glaube ich, richtig gemacht. Bin sehr gespannt, wie das abhält und ob das gut ist und ob's gut funktioniert. Und ob wir 10000 Euro ärmer sind in 1 Woche.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, so viel Datum.\n\nSpeaker 2: Modell für Slack auch. Ja. Gehen die Leute, rechnen jetzt massenhaft von Teams zu Slack, weil sie dann da Crowd entwickeln können? Ich mein,\n\nSpeaker 0: wenn Du jetzt Teams nutzt, dann bist Du ja schon, hast Du ja schon aufgrund von irgendwelchen Entscheidungen und Konzerngrößen. Also, da wurde jetzt schon irgendwo im Verlauf vorher eine Fehlentscheidung getroffen, die nicht revidierbar war über die Zeit. Ja. Dann hängst Du ja sowieso fest und darfst sowieso nicht Cloud einfach so. Also, wenn wenn man Teams nutzt, dann wär der Prozess, Cloud so einzuführen mit 'nem rechte Modell, auf jeden Fall ein mehrwöchiger, dann\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich glaub, der wär auch bei vielen Slack Nutzern 'n mehrwöchiger. Das hat halt nicht jeder 'n Jolo Dennis in der Admin Konsole sitzen, der ist Ja. Aber eben\n\nSpeaker 1: Was ich mir gut finde, Tatkraft, Tatkraft. Rainer. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wunderbar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Falls ihr Tickets haben wollt für die Programmiercon Beeilt euch. Die im November 2026 stattfindet. Ja, beeilt euch. Ja, zumindest beeilt euch, wenn ihr noch Tickets haben wollt. Die laufen nämlich Ende des Monats aus.\n\nNächste Woche. Fast 50 Prozent. Oder wir nähern uns den 50 Prozent.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, wir haben an Nee, stimmt, haben wir nicht Tickets. Warte mal. 50? Ein ein ein 2. Ist größer als ein Drittel.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ein Zweitel, ja. Okay. Ich glaub, mathematische Fachbegriff haben wir, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wie wie sagt man das? Ein Zweitel.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und falls ihr sonst schiefback habt Ein Zweitel? Dave Felvenwolf schreibt gerne Art an. Hast Du eine eigene Programmierbarad, weißt Du denn? Wo die direkt\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, oh. Müssen wir noch einrichten.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dave at Programmier Punkt Bar richten wir gleich einen an. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dave at Programmier Punkt Bar\n\nSpeaker 2: könnt ihr\n\nSpeaker 0: ihm bestätigen, dass es ein Zweiter heißt.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ein Zweiter. Ein halb? Nee, aber das\n\nSpeaker 0: ist ein das ist anderthalb. Okay, das wären ja 150 Prozent. Hunderthundertfünfzig Prozent, ja. Na ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Frag doch mal Cloud nachher ins Leck, wie das heißt. Ja, Ed Claude.\n\nSpeaker 1: Herr Cloud, wie hilf mir doch, wie das heißt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Vielen Dank fürs Zuhören. Schreibt uns gerne, wenn wir was anders machen sollen und\n\nSpeaker 1: Wo wohin schreiben? Dave at Programmier.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ein Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar natürlich. Und sonst habt eine schöne kühle Umgebung und bis bald, macht's gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Bis deine, tschau tschau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und aus.",[24066,24077,24082,24087,24092,24096,24100,24113,24124,24128,24137,24144,24151,24154,24165,24169,24173,24182,24187,24191,24203,24208,24215,24219,24226,24231,24240,24244,24253,24257,24261,24267,24271,24278,24290,24294,24298,24307,24312,24316,24319,24325,24337,24348,24359,24366,24373,24379,24387,24391,24397,24401,24405,24410,24418,24422,24434,24440,24444,24449,24453,24461,24467,24471,24476,24482,24493,24497,24506,24519,24525,24532,24541,24545,24552,24555,24561,24567,24573,24583,24592,24601,24605,24608,24621,24625,24629,24635,24647,24660,24667,24670,24681,24687,24690,24694,24703,24709,24722,24735,24748,24754,24767,24777,24780,24788,24795,24801,24805,24815,24819,24825,24829,24839,24843,24852,24856,24867,24871,24874,24878,24884,24890,24895,24899,24904,24917,24924,24928,24934,24938,24942,24949,24954,24957,24970,24983,24987,24991,25003,25015,25028,25040,25049,25060,25069,25081,25091,25096,25100,25108,25112,25116,25121,25126,25131,25136,25140,25144,25155,25159,25166,25174,25180,25184,25190,25194,25205,25217,25220,25224,25230,25242,25247,25251,25255,25259,25262,25266,25269,25276,25280,25285,25291,25298,25305,25309,25315,25320,25328,25337,25344,25353,25363,25370,25374,25380,25385,25390,25394,25399,25403,25416,25426,25434,25438,25443,25454,25467,25473,25479,25483,25495,25505,25509,25517,25523,25527,25530,25537,25543,25553,25556,25567,25571,25575,25579,25591,25595,25599,25605,25609,25613,25619,25623,25627,25631,25635,25639,25645,25649,25653,25658,25667,25674,25682,25688,25692,25696,25706,25710,25716,25722,25735,25748,25754,25766,25769,25775,25781,25791,25804,25812,25816,25820,25824,25837,25841,25848,25852,25859,25863,25867,25873,25879,25883,25894,25898,25902,25908,25911,25921,25932,25935,25939,25943,25951,25963,25975,25988,26001,26007,26017,26021,26028,26035,26039,26043,26048,26052,26056,26068,26072,26076,26085,26096,26102,26108,26117,26122,26131,26142,26146,26150,26154,26160,26164,26168,26172,26178,26182,26188,26199,26204,26210,26215,26228,26236,26240,26250,26261,26269,26275,26278,26290,26298,26309,26316,26322,26332,26338,26343,26347,26351,26355,26363,26373,26380,26384,26390,26396,26402,26406],{"sentences":24067,"speaker":127,"num_words":24076,"start":124,"end":314},[24068,24070,24072,24074],{"text":24069,"start":124,"end":168},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu 1 neuen Programmier bei News Folge.",{"text":24071,"start":168,"end":200},"Wir befinden uns in Kalenderwoche 26, 2026.",{"text":24073,"start":204,"end":280},"Wir reden heute über Dino, über Juni und über 2 Updates von den Froppy, Klopp Design und Claude Tech.",{"text":24075,"start":285,"end":314},"Ich bin Dennis Becker und heute an meiner Seite",46,{"sentences":24078,"speaker":106,"num_words":24081,"start":318,"end":353},[24079],{"text":24080,"start":318,"end":353},"Dave Acker, Dave Krusitzky, moin was geht Und Jan",9,{"sentences":24083,"speaker":359,"num_words":24086,"start":353,"end":374},[24084],{"text":24085,"start":353,"end":374},"Gregor im Getriebe, moin moin,",5,{"sentences":24088,"speaker":106,"num_words":24091,"start":374,"end":386},[24089],{"text":24090,"start":374,"end":386},"live im Studio.",3,{"sentences":24093,"speaker":127,"num_words":24091,"start":386,"end":398},[24094],{"text":24095,"start":386,"end":398},"Live im Studio.",{"sentences":24097,"speaker":106,"num_words":359,"start":398,"end":407},[24098],{"text":24099,"start":398,"end":407},"Alle 3.",{"sentences":24101,"speaker":127,"num_words":24112,"start":407,"end":565},[24102,24104,24106,24108,24110],{"text":24103,"start":407,"end":469},"Alle vor Ort, Lightning Farbe, alle mit neuem Kameraset ups, falls ihr uns im Videostream seht.",{"text":24105,"start":469,"end":485},"Jetzt mit guter Farbe.",{"text":24107,"start":485,"end":504},"Aber wieder mit alter Audioqualität.",{"text":24109,"start":509,"end":550},"Da hat sich ja nicht durchgesetzt das neue Mikroset-up, aber Genau.",{"text":24111,"start":555,"end":565},"Arbeiten ja auch",39,{"sentences":24114,"speaker":106,"num_words":24123,"start":565,"end":623},[24115,24117,24119,24121],{"text":24116,"start":565,"end":573},"noch dran.",{"text":24118,"start":573,"end":599},"Aber gewohnt hohe Qualität, das muss man sagen.",{"text":24120,"start":599,"end":611},"Gewohnt hohe Audioqualität.",{"text":24122,"start":611,"end":623},"Das war ja",16,{"sentences":24125,"speaker":127,"num_words":24091,"start":627,"end":635},[24126],{"text":24127,"start":627,"end":635},"die wir sagen.",{"sentences":24129,"speaker":106,"num_words":24136,"start":639,"end":669},[24130,24132,24133,24134],{"text":24131,"start":639,"end":646},"Oh, wirklich?",{"text":653,"start":649,"end":650},{"text":657,"start":650,"end":655},{"text":24135,"start":660,"end":669},"Haben wir Ein",7,{"sentences":24138,"speaker":127,"num_words":24143,"start":669,"end":709},[24139,24141],{"text":24140,"start":669,"end":698},"stetiger ein stetiger Hörer unsere eigenen News Oh.",{"text":24142,"start":700,"end":709},"Dave von Schützen.",11,{"sentences":24145,"speaker":106,"num_words":24150,"start":714,"end":783},[24146,24148],{"text":24147,"start":714,"end":767},"Na ja, ich ich hör ich ich hör ja nicht die eigenen News, die ich aufnehme, so.",{"text":24149,"start":767,"end":783},"Ist ja ja komisch.",21,{"sentences":24152,"speaker":127,"num_words":106,"start":783,"end":788},[24153],{"text":791,"start":783,"end":788},{"sentences":24155,"speaker":106,"num_words":24150,"start":788,"end":862},[24156,24158,24160,24162,24163],{"text":24157,"start":788,"end":805},"so, ich war nicht dabei.",{"text":24159,"start":805,"end":817},"Ach so, ja genau.",{"text":24161,"start":817,"end":846},"Ich hör auch nicht News, die I aufnehmend.",{"text":853,"start":850,"end":851},{"text":24164,"start":851,"end":862},"Das ist richtig.",{"sentences":24166,"speaker":127,"num_words":24081,"start":862,"end":895},[24167],{"text":24168,"start":862,"end":895},"Wie geht's euch in diesen Temperatur, bei diesen Temperaturen?",{"sentences":24170,"speaker":106,"num_words":359,"start":895,"end":906},[24171],{"text":24172,"start":895,"end":906},"Wahnsinnig schnell.",{"sentences":24174,"speaker":127,"num_words":24181,"start":906,"end":1000},[24175,24177,24179],{"text":24176,"start":906,"end":925},"Seid ihr, seid ihr auch so.",{"text":24178,"start":925,"end":949},"Du holzt wir diesen nicht so rum.",{"text":24180,"start":949,"end":1000},"Ich mein, Du beschwerst dich einmal vor, dass Du sagst, boah, ich bin komplett",27,{"sentences":24183,"speaker":106,"num_words":24186,"start":1000,"end":1016},[24184],{"text":24185,"start":1000,"end":1016},"geschwitzt rumgelaufen, aber Ich",4,{"sentences":24188,"speaker":127,"num_words":24081,"start":1016,"end":1049},[24189],{"text":24190,"start":1016,"end":1049},"bin trotzdem so positiv, Du das mag ich sehr.",{"sentences":24192,"speaker":106,"num_words":24202,"start":1049,"end":1202},[24193,24195,24197,24199,24200],{"text":24194,"start":1049,"end":1061},"Ja, das stimmt.",{"text":24196,"start":1061,"end":1089},"Ich bin auch jetzt grade aktuell in meinem eigenen Saft.",{"text":24198,"start":1089,"end":1117},"Es ist wirklich, ich safte ja alles voll.",{"text":653,"start":1117,"end":1121},{"text":24201,"start":1121,"end":1202},"Und es ist auch wahnsinnig, also Dennis hab ich grad aufgeklärt, wir nehmen grade in einem Raum auf, das ist der Einzige, der nicht klimatisiert",47,{"sentences":24204,"speaker":359,"num_words":24207,"start":1202,"end":1259},[24205],{"text":24206,"start":1202,"end":1259},"ist oder klar gewesen, ob's der Einzige ist dieser ganzen Firma, der keine Klimaanlage hat.",15,{"sentences":24209,"speaker":127,"num_words":24214,"start":1259,"end":1288},[24210,24211,24212],{"text":552,"start":1259,"end":1263},{"text":552,"start":1263,"end":1267},{"text":24213,"start":1267,"end":1288},"Also Licht Treppenhaus hat auch keiner.",8,{"sentences":24216,"speaker":106,"num_words":359,"start":1288,"end":1298},[24217],{"text":24218,"start":1288,"end":1298},"Ah, okay.",{"sentences":24220,"speaker":359,"num_words":24225,"start":1298,"end":1339},[24221,24223],{"text":24222,"start":1298,"end":1309},"Aber das hat Fenster.",{"text":24224,"start":1309,"end":1339},"Wir sind also mitten im Gebäude in sonem abgeschlossenen Raum.",14,{"sentences":24227,"speaker":127,"num_words":24230,"start":1339,"end":1379},[24228],{"text":24229,"start":1339,"end":1379},"Und man Ja, aber halt in der, deswegen ist er ja relativ kühl.",13,{"sentences":24232,"speaker":106,"num_words":24239,"start":1383,"end":1451},[24233,24235,24237],{"text":24234,"start":1383,"end":1409},"Aber man merkt trotzdem, wie die Luft hier steht.",{"text":24236,"start":1409,"end":1432},"Also ich glaub, dass diese Nullfeuchtigkeit sind.",{"text":24238,"start":1432,"end":1451},"In 80 Uhr gibt's",20,{"sentences":24241,"speaker":127,"num_words":24086,"start":1451,"end":1468},[24242],{"text":24243,"start":1451,"end":1468},"das schon, nur keine Klimaanlage.",{"sentences":24245,"speaker":106,"num_words":24252,"start":1468,"end":1568},[24246,24248,24250],{"text":24247,"start":1468,"end":1492},"Es ist es ist trotzdem wahnsinnig feucht hier so.",{"text":24249,"start":1492,"end":1539},"Aber ich ich ich glaub, es wird eine richtig geile Folge und deswegen bin 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hat.",{"text":24714,"start":6338,"end":6412},"Und ich glaub, mehr Player ist da irgendwie schon mehr gut und wie immer bei Dino ist ja so der USP, wir bringen dir das ganze Tooling irgendwie mit.",{"text":24716,"start":6412,"end":6439},"Das war ja schon bei der Dino Run Time alleine so.",{"text":24718,"start":6439,"end":6487},"Wir bringen hier Bitool mit und Linder und unsere eigene Registing, hast Du irgendwie alles nicht gesehen.",{"text":24720,"start":6489,"end":6501},"Und das ist ja auch so.",96,{"sentences":24723,"speaker":359,"num_words":24734,"start":6501,"end":6811},[24724,24726,24728,24730,24732],{"text":24725,"start":6501,"end":6564},"Also es ist halt irgendwie so Auto Update mit drin, dass das der Bildprozess für alle Betriebssysteme irgendwie direkt angebunden unterstützt.",{"text":24727,"start":6564,"end":6587},"Du brauchst keine Plug ins für irgendwie Auto Updates.",{"text":24729,"start":6590,"end":6606},"Du kannst Cross Compile direkt machen.",{"text":24731,"start":6606,"end":6677},"Der einzige Unterschied zu jetzt grade Tauri zum Beispiel ist halt, dass sie jetzt noch nicht, sie sagen explizit noch nicht, dazu kommt es noch, Mobile Supporter.",{"text":24733,"start":6681,"end":6811},"Also Tauri war ja damals so megacool, als sie rausgekommen ist oder als in der 2 0 rausgekommen ist, dass sie auch iOS und Android Target zu unterstützen und das geht jetzt mit Dino Desktop und deswegen heißt auch Dino Desktop und nicht, ja, kann ein Dino Mobile oder so.",113,{"sentences":24736,"speaker":359,"num_words":24747,"start":6811,"end":7005},[24737,24739,24741,24743,24745],{"text":24738,"start":6811,"end":6829},"Vielleicht kommt auch nicht nur Mobile.",{"text":24740,"start":6829,"end":6893},"Ja, ich hör das hier first ey, aber wenn's rauskommt, würd das Dino Mobile heißen, weiß ich das einfach mal so.",{"text":24742,"start":6896,"end":6911},"Ja, kann's irgendwie ganz gut.",{"text":24744,"start":6911,"end":6986},"Ich hab ehrlicherweise jetzt noch nicht selber für was nutzen können, aber wir haben ja auch für die Programmierkunden dieses Jahr wieder ein kleines App Joy gefunden.",{"text":24746,"start":6986,"end":7005},"Vielleicht kann man das da 'n bisschen",66,{"sentences":24749,"speaker":127,"num_words":24112,"start":7007,"end":7109},[24750,24752],{"text":24751,"start":7007,"end":7013},"Oh, servus.",{"text":24753,"start":7017,"end":7109},"Und Du hast eingeleitet ein Thema mit, da ging's nicht so, dir ging's nicht so gut oder man munkelte, dir ging's nicht so gut und das ist jetzt für dich das Zeichen, da läuft alles richtig gut.",{"sentences":24755,"speaker":359,"num_words":24766,"start":7111,"end":7397},[24756,24758,24760,24762,24764],{"text":24757,"start":7111,"end":7140},"Ja, man muss wahrscheinlich man muss wahrscheinlich son bisschen unterscheiden, ne?",{"text":24759,"start":7140,"end":7271},"Dino ist ja am Ende auch son VC gebacktes Unternehmen, so und irgendwie müssen die halt am Ende Geld verdienen und wenn Sie jetzt sagen, Sie fahren Ihr Datenbankangebot zurück, weil man lieber für produktiveinsätze vielleicht andere Datenbanken nutzen sollte als Dino Key Value.",{"text":24761,"start":7275,"end":7294},"Sie fahren ihre Infrastruktur zurück auf weniger Regionen.",{"text":24763,"start":7297,"end":7320},"Das ist vielleicht auch einfach alles nur so Konsolidierung, ja.",{"text":24765,"start":7323,"end":7397},"Und am Ende ist es ja bei so Projekten auch immer so, es gibt da zwar diese Firma, aber es gibt ja auch eine Open Source Bewegung hinten dran.",102,{"sentences":24768,"speaker":359,"num_words":24776,"start":7397,"end":7569},[24769,24771,24773,24774],{"text":24770,"start":7397,"end":7448},"Also selbst wenn jetzt die Firma heute den Betrieb einstellen würde, könnte ja die Information noch weiterentwickelt werden.",{"text":24772,"start":7450,"end":7490},"Von daher, wie gut es jetzt wirtschaftlich die noch steht, steht wahrscheinlich auf 'nem anderen Blatt.",{"text":3844,"start":7490,"end":7493},{"text":24775,"start":7495,"end":7569},"Aber zumindest sieht das nicht so aus, als ob sie die Arbeit daran einstellen würden und sich irgendwie auch was ganz anderes als Covid nur an würden.",62,{"sentences":24778,"speaker":106,"num_words":106,"start":7569,"end":7573},[24779],{"text":3844,"start":7569,"end":7573},{"sentences":24781,"speaker":359,"num_words":24680,"start":7576,"end":7752},[24782,24784,24786],{"text":24783,"start":7576,"end":7700},"Ich mein, grade wenn's den kommerziellen Aspekt geht, hätte das ja auch 'n ganz anderen Twist nehmen können und sie hätten sagen können, okay, wir arbeiten inhaltlich nicht mehr an Dino oder nicht mehr so stark an Dino weiter, sondern wir kümmern uns mehr das Hosting Business drumrum.",{"text":24785,"start":7700,"end":7729},"Wir machen unsere Plattform größer und und bla bla bla.",{"text":24787,"start":7732,"end":7752},"Und zumindest das ist jetzt offensichtlich so nicht passend.",{"sentences":24789,"speaker":106,"num_words":24207,"start":7752,"end":7798},[24790,24791,24793],{"text":3844,"start":7752,"end":7756},{"text":24792,"start":7759,"end":7784},"Dino ist eigenständig, also wann ist hier bei Intropic?",{"text":24794,"start":7788,"end":7798},"Ist Dino eigenständig oder Okay.",{"sentences":24796,"speaker":359,"num_words":24702,"start":7800,"end":7898},[24797,24799],{"text":24798,"start":7800,"end":7851},"Dino ist ja damals von Ryan Dahl hier in Not OS geschafft worden mit zu dem Ansatz.",{"text":24800,"start":7855,"end":7898},"Mit Dino kann ich all das richtig machen, was ich bei now j s gelernt hab, sozusagen.",{"sentences":24802,"speaker":106,"num_words":24091,"start":7902,"end":7910},[24803],{"text":24804,"start":7902,"end":7910},"Ah ja, schön.",{"sentences":24806,"speaker":127,"num_words":24289,"start":7913,"end":8017},[24807,24808,24810,24812,24813],{"text":653,"start":7913,"end":7914},{"text":24809,"start":7914,"end":7956},"Gleicher Ansatz, alles richtig machen, was wir am Anfang falsch gemacht haben und was gelernt habe.",{"text":24811,"start":7960,"end":7993},"Was hat denn IntelliJ mit Es ist nicht es ist nicht Juni oder?",{"text":7997,"start":7993,"end":7995},{"text":24814,"start":7999,"end":8017},"Diese ganzen AI Namen da draußen.",{"sentences":24816,"speaker":127,"num_words":24186,"start":8017,"end":8028},[24817],{"text":24818,"start":8017,"end":8028},"Du hast lang nicht",{"sentences":24820,"speaker":106,"num_words":24225,"start":8028,"end":8065},[24821,24823],{"text":24822,"start":8028,"end":8049},"mehr die lang nicht mehr die Moderation gemacht, ne?",{"text":24824,"start":8049,"end":8065},"Ja, das merkst Du, wie",{"sentences":24826,"speaker":127,"num_words":24186,"start":8065,"end":8075},[24827],{"text":24828,"start":8065,"end":8075},"gut es ist, ne?",{"sentences":24830,"speaker":106,"num_words":24838,"start":8075,"end":8190},[24831,24833,24834,24836],{"text":24832,"start":8075,"end":8141},"Ja, deswegen nein, das ist so von der hat das halt so Jahre in dir, aber das Training noch drin ist, so.",{"text":653,"start":8141,"end":8144},{"text":24835,"start":8144,"end":8173},"So, ohne irgendwelche Hick ups so, perfekte Übergänge, so.",{"text":24837,"start":8173,"end":8190},"Gute Nachfragen, ich mag das bisher.",38,{"sentences":24840,"speaker":127,"num_words":24186,"start":8193,"end":8203},[24841],{"text":24842,"start":8193,"end":8203},"So und ohne Ironie?",{"sentences":24844,"speaker":106,"num_words":24252,"start":8206,"end":8305},[24845,24847,24848,24849,24851],{"text":24846,"start":8206,"end":8220},"Ich start mal mit meinem Thema.",{"text":653,"start":8220,"end":8224},{"text":552,"start":8224,"end":8227},{"text":24850,"start":8227,"end":8301},"Es geht Juni, nicht wie wir gerade festgestellt haben, die heimliche Geliebte von Jan, wo es auf gar keinen Fall rauskommt darf, dass es stattfindet, richtig?",{"text":653,"start":8301,"end":8305},{"sentences":24853,"speaker":359,"num_words":24214,"start":8305,"end":8329},[24854],{"text":24855,"start":8305,"end":8329},"Würde ja auch niemand im öffentlichen Podcast sein.",{"sentences":24857,"speaker":106,"num_words":24866,"start":8329,"end":8438},[24858,24860,24862,24864],{"text":24859,"start":8329,"end":8353},"Genau, das wär ja echt extrem belastend, halt.",{"text":24861,"start":8353,"end":8362},"Alter, shit.",{"text":24863,"start":8362,"end":8426},"Es geht Juni und zwar ist das von Jetbrains, die KI Coding Agent namens Juni ist natürlich Allenbekannt.",{"text":24865,"start":8429,"end":8438},"Allenbekannt, aber wirklich",31,{"sentences":24868,"speaker":359,"num_words":24591,"start":8440,"end":8485},[24869],{"text":24870,"start":8440,"end":8485},"Also hier mal, 2 von 3 Leuten im Raum sind ja Jetrainunsure, muss man ja auch mal 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Breakpoints setzen und dann halt die dann wirklich abfangen in der Situation und dann besser debuggen.",{"text":24968,"start":9466,"end":9529},"Oder Du kannst sagen, hey, ich hab hier 'n UI Fehler, so, wenn ich den Button drücke, dann passiert das und das gar nicht.",135,{"sentences":24971,"speaker":106,"num_words":24982,"start":9532,"end":9761},[24972,24974,24976,24978,24980],{"text":24973,"start":9532,"end":9554},"Und Juni setzt dann selbst die Breakpoints in der IDI.",{"text":24975,"start":9554,"end":9611},"Sagt dann okay, hey, wenn Du ready bist, führ das mal aus und guck dann, was passiert dann im Codes?",{"text":24977,"start":9611,"end":9642},"Also son bisschen mehr mehr advanceder ist schon irgendwie sehr, sehr cool.",{"text":24979,"start":9642,"end":9701},"Und es also verlässt dir noch echte Fehlermeldung, anstatt halt irgendwie bitte mit Logs zu arbeiten, was halt sehr, sehr cool ist.",{"text":24981,"start":9703,"end":9761},"Und eine Sache, die ich megacool finde und mit close 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ne.",{"text":25001,"start":9943,"end":10015},"Dann ist also häufig natürlich das schon einige Sachen, die der Klub meistens macht, sagt er, hey guck mal, da sind hier diese 12 Schritte.",76,{"sentences":25004,"speaker":106,"num_words":25014,"start":10015,"end":10199},[25005,25007,25009,25010,25012],{"text":25006,"start":10015,"end":10036},"Ich würd zuerst das machen, dann das und das.",{"text":25008,"start":10036,"end":10052},"Und dann kannst Du sagen, ja, okay.",{"text":24394,"start":10055,"end":10059},{"text":25011,"start":10059,"end":10100},"Und mach unoMoont an und nein und sag mir, was ich anders machen soll, so, ne.",{"text":25013,"start":10100,"end":10199},"Und einige haben wir so, so, na ja, eigentlich ist das fast richtig, aber hier bei Schritt 5 würd ich nur das 'n bisschen ändern wollen, bei Schritt 7 das und Schritt 9 hier da und so diesen kleinen Week.",74,{"sentences":25016,"speaker":106,"num_words":25027,"start":10199,"end":10315},[25017,25019,25021,25023,25025],{"text":25018,"start":10199,"end":10222},"Und das finde ich, ist 'n bisschen inkonveniert.",{"text":25020,"start":10226,"end":10235},"Es geht nicht so einfach.",{"text":25022,"start":10235,"end":10269},"Und was das Coole jetzt an Juni ist, die erstellt halt einfach ein Dokument.",{"text":25024,"start":10269,"end":10307},"Weiß ich nicht, vom Namen her auch schon das weiblich, sage Juni.",{"text":25026,"start":10307,"end":10315},"Ich sag mal Juni.",43,{"sentences":25029,"speaker":106,"num_words":25039,"start":10315,"end":10443},[25030,25032,25033,25035,25037],{"text":25031,"start":10315,"end":10327},"Das ist eine weiblich AI.",{"text":653,"start":10327,"end":10331},{"text":25034,"start":10331,"end":10339},"Ist ziemlich gut.",{"text":25036,"start":10339,"end":10375},"Und ich fand, Juni erstellt 'n Dokument so quasi wie son quasi Feature 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dass irgendwie, wenn irgendwas passiert ist oder keine Ahnung, was er dann kommt und sagt, hey, guckt euch mal dieses Issue an oder ne, sollten wir das noch machen, also ist auch eine gewisse Proaktivität.",61,{"sentences":25860,"speaker":106,"num_words":24081,"start":18930,"end":18953},[25861],{"text":25862,"start":18930,"end":18953},"Ach, das hat das hat die allen vorher immer.",{"sentences":25864,"speaker":127,"num_words":24277,"start":18957,"end":18986},[25865],{"text":25866,"start":18957,"end":18986},"Ja, es ist tatsächlich son bisschen wie, ja, wie heißt die Mama?",{"sentences":25868,"speaker":359,"num_words":25304,"start":18990,"end":19044},[25869,25871],{"text":25870,"start":18990,"end":19007},"Das hatten wir vorhin aber noch nicht, ne.",{"text":25872,"start":19007,"end":19044},"Das war immer nur bei uns in dem Test Flagchen, wo wir's hatten, haben 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reverside aufgetoppt, aber sieht gern gut aus.",{"text":25950,"start":19840,"end":19845},"Ja, ich kann",{"sentences":25952,"speaker":106,"num_words":25962,"start":19847,"end":20079},[25953,25954,25956,25958,25960],{"text":24164,"start":19847,"end":19853},{"text":25955,"start":19855,"end":19873},"Ich kann dir sogar 'n reales Beispiel nehmen.",{"text":25957,"start":19873,"end":19906},"Also im Endeffekt ist es, glaub ich, einfach 'n Abwägen der Kosten so.",{"text":25959,"start":19906,"end":19948},"Aber wir hatten nämlich eine ähnliche Diskussion, deswegen find ich eigentlich sehr cool, dass es jetzt möglich ist.",{"text":25961,"start":19948,"end":20079},"Und zwar, wir nutzen ja Linear für das Tracking unserer Issues und grade halt so, oft wissen wir, also jeder ist an seinem Projekt dran und man weiß eigentlich, woran man isst, ne, aber manchmal kommen ja so Sachen rein wie Bugs, wie irgendwelche Textsachen, die ja dann auch irgendwann 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